Originally Posted by MEfree
Originally Posted by Dormie1360
Worms are a specific case, hence the decision. I've never seen an aeration plug, "stuck" in it's old hole. Aeration plugs are loose impediments, like dirt clogs. I wouldn't want to get into whether a plug in an aeration hole was solidly embedded. When in doubt, leave it alone.
As far the plug resting on your ball, assuming the ball was not in a hazard, it may be removed. If you ball moves, 1ps and replace your ball. If the plug was adhering to your ball you can not remove it. IF the ball was on the plug, you obviously can not remove the plug without moving the ball.
Honestly, if I was playing a course while it was being aerated, I wouldn't get too hung up on loose impediment rules. It's not a tournament......I hope. Move your ball/plug as necessary.
It was definitely "stuck" in its own hole...Not so stuck that it didn't come out when I pulled on it, but it did offer some resistance. I understand that worms are a specific case, but was trying to use the same logic here. So do you disagree with the majority here that it was clearly within the rules to remove the partially embedded plug?
It was not a tournament BUT I do have the semi-finals of the Passholder Match Play Tournament coming up on the same course, which is why I asked the question. Keystone does not host many internal club tournaments and seems more in the habit of letting golfers decide for themselves whether they want to play lift, clean and place as opposed to posting it.
Did you see my post of the correct local rule for this? If the local rule had been invoked solely for the aeration conditions, they are not warranted in using the Preferred Lies local rule.
Originally Posted by MEfree
Originally Posted by iacas
I don't see a majority saying that.
You might be right, looking back at the posts, it is a lot of rules quoting.
So, let's start over.
Who thinks that the rules allow you to remove an aeration plug that is half above the surface and half in its original hole? Who thinks you can't? Who is unsure? (Is it too late to add a poll?)
I think that the logic behind the worm decision should apply the same to aeration holes. Put another way, my opinion is that the rules allow you to remove a partially embedded aeration plug as a loose impediment. Going a bit further with my thinking (beyond the worm decision), I think that the partially embedded plug has been cut away from the earth/grass that it was originally attached to and is more just "stuck" in its original hole as opposed to still being attached or "solidly" embedded.
The worm decision doesn't really apply because the worm is a living thing capable of putting up resistance to being removed. The aeration plug is not. If it offers any significant resistance to movement, then it is firmly embedded. As Erik says, that's a judgement call. It may be a bad break, just like if the ball comes to rest partially supported by a plug, but those are the breaks.
You have the choice of hitting the ball as it lies, or declaring the ball unplayable and dropping clear. However, a drop is a chancy thing too, as the ball could end up in a similar lie if you don't do a good job of cleaning up the dropping area. Sometimes it's actually not the worst thing to remove the loose impediment, and if it does cause the ball to move, replace the ball and take the one stroke penalty that way, with the loose impediment no longer a factor.