Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond
Agreed - typically it is the ultra's of either bent.
While their intentions may begin as honorable, their actions typically do considerably more damage than any benefit.
As is the case with these tea party people, who have already snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. And now, they are just a drag on the economy, the deficit, and the American people. We need good, ole, moderate Pubs, who will at least work with the other side, and understand that change comes in small increments.
True, but I would like to see the good old Moderate Dems back as well ;)
Both sides are idiots.Enough pride has been hurt that I don't think anything is going to get done this year. It will not change in the future until a major majority of the seats in both the senate and the house are made competitive again.
Originally Posted by Golfingdad
This is it, right? It is the philosophical difference separating us, and one that will never be solved because it's, well, a difference in philosophy. :)
Not really, like I said, I wasn't making that comment as one were I don't care about 45 million uninsured. I was making that comment in the lines of, don't come in here spouting stats at us from an asshat like Mike Moore. Just throwing around stats, and assuming it means something is just stupid. Of course there are uninsured people, some of them with pre-existing conditions, some of them are homeless, some of them can't afford it, some of them just don't want it. Its a diverse group.
Do I care about the 45 million uninsured, kinda. I am not a person who gets to overly emotional about other people's problems. Is there probably a fix for the solution, yea. I rather work on a solution that does not include a health program run by the government.
The pre-existing conditions mandate isn't bad. I do have an issue with the mandate to buy health insurance. I get were they were going with it. I think if you make insurance enticing enough, you don't need to mandate it. If you make it cost effective, I think you could get a good 90-95% of those uninsured to go on it with out the mandate.
Also, once we allow them to mandate something like that, what will stop them from saying, "Ok you can't buy anything but American Cars?" I mean, we given them to power to mandate us to buy something. Its a scary thing when we start letting the government have that sort of broad power. If we didn't like lobbying now, what stops big corporations from making it look like that the government should mandate we buy a specific product.
Edited by saevel25 - 10/20/13 at 1:26pm