Originally Posted by Phil McGleno
Brandel couldn't prove that Tiger saw it move, so it would be dumb to write that too.-I meant what I said above-My problem is almost 100% because he went to the "cheater" word-Not a problem with questioning TIger and the rules infractions (THREE) this year.
See, the "cheater" word isn't such a big deal for me. Not because I don't think it's a serious accusation within the golf world, but because dressing up the same basic opinion in any sort of "Tiger's got some explaining to do" or "Tiger's got an attitude problem with the rules" language just amounts, IMO, to the same thing. It's implying that he did something conscious - but with an element of evasion that is disingenuous.
For me - the correct standard for any commentator would be this. If you don't think he saw the ball move, then by all means come right out and say there was no question of cheating, and no issue of damage to reputation etc. One of the other arguments linked from here did just that. The only issue left for Tiger to deal with his whether he's managed the PR side of things wisely.
But if you want to talk about collateral damage, reputation, trust, integrity and so forth - then I think you have to be saying that out of a belief that he DID or SHOULD HAVE seen the ball move. And that kind of talk is tantamount to calling him a cheat, whatever words are used.
Originally Posted by phan52
Slugger White, the RO who Tiger dressed down, said, "He knew there was movement there, but he was very adamant that is oscillated and it stayed there." so apparently, in their discussion, Tiger agreed there was movement. That doesn't tell us whether Tiger knew there was movement at the moment it happened or after he watched the video. But there is this: Tiger had to know there was "movement' of some kind at the moment because he immeduately stopped trying to move the impediment.
I know, in my experience, when this happens I always say to my playing partners, "Hey guys, the ball just moved." There is really no other ethical way to go about it, especially in a medal situation where you have to protect the field. But that's just me; I am not in a tournament with 7 figures on the line.
And I agree that it was poor judgement to go off on Slugger White. He is a well liked, well respected member of the PGA Tour family with no axe to grind. I honestly think that this is what may have set off some of the guys in the media like Chamblee and Bamberger.
I think Tiger's reaction to, and treatment of, Slugger White is part of the reason I don't trust him on this. I know that there was a 2 shot penalty at stake, but I think if Tiger has accepted the officials' judgement with better grace, I'd have a much easier time giving him the benefit of the doubt on the original violation.