Originally Posted by M2R
I've never used a bogey rating except maybe indirectly and unknowingly. I just saw that blurb in the link CR McDivot posted and thought it was interesting the USGA presented it as the most important number for a bogey golfer.
My comment was more like in a perfect world I would like a rating, slope, and scorecard and/or yardage book to make a decision. The specific example I had in mind was 5700 white and 6100 blue (the course only had red, white, and blue tees) but the blue tees had a rating of 71.4 and slope of 151 and par was only 70 so I want to play the white. In a case where yardage does matter, I care more about how it is distributed than the total number which is why I like to look at a scorecard. If it is mostly in long par three and five holes then I don't care. If it is mostly in long par fours (long to me) I would want to move to a shorter tee. Sometimes if it is only one hole that is excessively long the group will agree to just move up on that one hole.
Target, I don't have a target except to be comfortable which usually means finding some balance between the three numbers. I would ideally want a 10 over par score to also be close to a differential of 10 but that is not always practical. However it does seems to be comfortable spot to play from for a lot of courses I have tried. For example one of the last rounds I posted 81 resulting in a 13.5 differential, which suggests I might want to look into playing from a more difficult tee next time.
Gotcha. And thanks for the input.
It sounds like I do what most do. I normally play whites. But pretty often there are people in my group that want to play blues. And I usually do it just because it is less awkward than doing the different tees every time. And it looks like all of our answers so far are the blues and the whites at maybe 40/60.
So, philosophically speaking, why wouldn't we just play from the whites every time (excluding those times when others in the group are going blue)? I'm sure the tee it forward campaign would want us to. Also, the course I loosely based this on has recommendations on the card and the whites are for handicaps between 15 and 24. And it isn't a really hard course or anything, slope 119 from whites. And I'm guessing if a non-golfer were to look at the situation, he would automatically assume that if you have trouble making at least bogey on every single hole (which we do) - why wouldn't you do something easier? Aren't you supposed to do this in 72 strokes???
It seems a bit arbitrary right? To borrow a couple of thoughts from above - I'm kinda long / if the slope is xxx / I might use a formula that puts me right at 18 over, etc. I have these conversations on the first tee box as well. But it feels like we're saying, "I can't shoot anywhere near par, but even still I'm not going to pick the tees that will give me the best chance to score low. I'll pick a set that adds a few strokes. I'm trying to shoot 20 over instead of 17 over." It almost seems silly to choose something more challenging when you haven't remotely conquered the easy one yet.
I guess somewhere around bogey isn't completely arbitrary - but it seems a more logical theory might be to play the "men's" tees until we could scare par. Or scare 80 frequently. No matter how long you are, you'll still do better from closer. No matter how easy the whites are, you might not break 90, and you VERY likely won't break 80. Tee shots should improve, approach shots should be closer, resulting in more GIR's, closer pin proximity, more shot control, experience with the pressure of shooting a low score, etc.
I just got to thinking about this this weekend and would be interested to hear your thoughts.