Originally Posted by Lihu
Originally Posted by Meltdwhiskey
I'm guessing your HC is going to turn out better than you think. Maybe your course is really hard? But it sounds like you are hitting it really accurately.
My HC is a little below 18, but if I was to describe by dispersion pattern, I'd have to call it all over the place. Except maybe long and right over the pin. That doesn't happen often. Unless it is really ugly there. But otherwise, kind of all over the place. I'd feel great about getting a significant amount of 6i's within 60 feet of the pin.
If you actually measure your 6i it might not be as bad as you think. 60 feet of the pin is usually NOT on the green. It is good for an up and down or a bunker shot of some kind. You need to be less than 20 feet of the pin to get on the green consistently.
This is probably one of the main things that differentiates us bogey guys with the low single digit/scratch guys.
Many of the good golfers are talking about 5 yard accuracy up to 150 yards and 7-8 yard accuracy to 175 yards.
I agree that 60 feet from center is usually off the green. That is why I say I wasn't sure what you meant by dispersion pattern. If that means most of the shots were within 60 feet - then most still hit the green. If it means the average shot was 60 feet away, then still almost half hit the green. Both of these are great scenarios! I'd take that any day.
Maybe my 6i is better than I think and I'll take note next time I get to play. But I feel pretty confident that my 6i's are not within or averaging 60 feet.
In between the rain storms this weekend, I was able to play the par 3 at my local course and get about 50 holes worth of data on this. It is a really small data set, but I played lights out, so it should be indicative of my play or probably better. However, it is really short, so only for a clubs. Here is what I got:
S wedge: 65-90 yards / average 11 yards / 3 closest / 22 farthest
U wedge: 100 yards / average 12 yards / 3 closest / 13 farthest
P wedge: 115-117 yards / average 11 yards / 4 closest / 23 farthest
9 iron: 112-120 yards / average 18 yards / 9 closest / 36 farthest
7 iron: 145 yards / average 41 yards / 4 closest / 90 farthest (I only have 5 shots worth of data here and it is wild - would probably throw this out)
So, compared to you (and RKIM), and assuming that dispersion is average and not the 'within' definition:
My best club (S wedge) is twice as bad as your U wedge
My U wedge is over twice as bad as yours
You are better with 9i than I am with S wedge or any other for that matter
you are almost as good with 6i as I am with 9i
If we are talking about dispersion meaning the 'within' definition - you would be killing me even more! I just say all this to say I'd think you would be killing me at golf with this kind of ball striking. But instead, I actually have a little better handicap. If I could get 6i results out of my 9i - I would be one happy golfer. With a U wedge in hand, you are averaging (or within) 15 feet - while I'm at 36 feet. With a 9 iron in hand, you are at 30 feet or better and I'm at 54 feet. That sounds huge to me. What are we missing? Am I just a much better putter?
I envy you. I'd give up the putting to hit the ball like that.
Originally Posted by teamroper60
Originally Posted by Meltdwhiskey
I might green one from 6i distance once every few rounds. I'll lean on the PGA tour stats again. My 6i is in the 150-175 category. Ian Poulter, Brandt Snedeker, Matt Kuchar etc green it from this distance about 60% of the time. I'd think a bogey golfer is looking at maybe 5% from this range? 10%? 20%?
I think you are looking too much at PGA tour stats and trying too hard to correlate them to your own game. I suspect that if a PGA tour player was to spend the season just aiming for the center of the green instead of trying to hit it close, they would probably be hitting the greens something north of 80% regardless of the iron.
I look at them because they help paint a picture and they are all we have. I understand what you are saying and there are definitely places that stats can get misleading. But this one would be as apples to apples as almost any stat. If it is Snedeker or if it's me, we both have a 150 yard shot and we both want to be on the green. If they never hunted a pin, I'm sure they'd get some more. But every time they hit it, they certainly want to be on the green. Also, they do aim for the center or the safe spot of the green a good bit. If the pin is on the right, they'll often play it a little left as to not short side themselves - AKA toward the middle. I don't think this is a bad stat to look at.
Having said that, the best guy on tour got 72%. So your 80% assertion might be a really good across the board number. So use it. My point is that I'd think our stats would be WAY worse on this. If you adjust the Snedeker stat from above from 60% to 70%, I'd still think we are somewhere in those ranges I mentioned. And if you are closer to the Snedeker stat, you are playing exceptional golf. Golf I wouldn't expect to see in the bogey golfer thread.
Originally Posted by billchao
I'll take this one step further and say that if their goal was simply make fairways and GIR, they'd probably be able to make 100%.
I'd love to see something to support that. Until then, we'll just have to agree to disagree. These stats are what we have and GIR is one of the top indicators of how well they will do. And basically everyone advocates putting over chipping, so there is a real premium on hitting greens. If a player could get 100% GIR, I'd think they would get pretty close to it. The worst guy on tour would be giving up 45% greens as part of his strategy? I don't think it would be that high.