Originally Posted by Kenn
Originally Posted by Fourputt
And he was answered. Correctly ( and according to the rules because we are in the Rules Forum). Logically (divots are a natural part of the game, and have been since the first one was created some 400 years ago). Then you decided to add your two cents worth.... and it doesn't even have that much value.
You are entitled to your opinion, and we are entitled to show you how wrong you are.
If the question were "do the rules allow for relief from divots" you would be right. Since the question was "should they be" there is nothing wrong with my opinion and I gave some reasons why. No one bothered to address any of them, probably because they made too much sense. Your opinion is that since the rules state otherwise and the game was created 400 yrs ago that I must be wrong. I'm glad you decided to add your two cents worth but since you can't seem to address any of the reasons why I can see why they could be, it doesn't have that much value.
Okay, I'll take your challenge. Where in the rules does it ever say that you are entitled to a good lie on the fairway? Where does it even say that there is such a part of the course as a fairway? What we call fairway the rules call through the green, which includes all of the course except hazards and the putting green and teeing ground of the hole being played (meaning rough, woods, bushes, etc.).
With one questionable exception, all rules are applied equally any ball lying through the green. That means that divots would have to be treated equally no matter where they were encountered. This brings a real problem with identification into play. Can you really tell if that depression in the rough, or in a stretch of hardpan, is a divot hole? I've even seen spots in the fairway which I couldn't have told if it was partially regrown divot hole, a scrape from something else, or just a bad patch of turf. Not all golf courses are exquisitely manicured. Should the rule be different for someone at a fancy private club than they are for the guy who can only afford to play the local muni?
This is why divots are not, never have been, and likely never will be legislated as a relief condition.
The ball is now in your court.
Originally Posted by Ernest Jones
Originally Posted by Kenn
And the next time you hit a perfect shot and find yourself 2 feet from the cup and there is a nasty ballmark right between you and the cup make sure you play the course as you found it.
Why the hell would I do that when the rules clearly allow me to repair it? I'm not advocating self flagellation here, I use the rules to my advantage as much as I can but I do use the rules.
There are rules which apply to the putting green which do not apply to the through the green. Just as there are rules which apply to water hazards which don't apply to through the green.
Originally Posted by birlyshirly
Originally Posted by MiniBlueDragon
But then only "excessive" divots can be replaced properly. If a player takes a sliver of a divot there's nothing to replace but there's still a hole and a horrible lie to play off.
(playing devil's advocate by the way as I agree that many divots can be avoided by replacing the turf the player hacked up)
Whew! What's a correct vers an excessive divot? Not going there! I take your point though. Lots of courses had a local rule specifically, but only, for seeded divots to take away some of the ambiguity.
Of course, if a divot isn't "excessive", then it's not that difficult to play from either, so there is no reason to pass legislation to address it.
The game is golf. Sometimes bad things happen to the best of shots (see Tiger's approach on the 15th at the Masters). You learn to deal with that sort of adversity or you quit and try something else. That all I'm saying for now.