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Here is the situation,

I'm Teeing off and duff my drive.

My ball travels about 1m from the Tee.

I'm playing a hole which requires clearing a water hazard so I figure I'd rather re-tee the ball then play off the ground.

I announce to my group " I'm deeming that ball unplayable" under Rule 28.

I then opt for proceeding under stroke and distance Rule 27-I by playing nearest to the spot I played my last stroke.

I proceed under rule 20-5(a) to take my next stroke on the Teeing ground as the provision states: - It (the ball) may be played anywhere within the teeing ground and may be teed.

I hit my third stroke off the Tee and play continues.


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Following needs to be clarified. How do I proceed in bringing the new ball into play?

I'm assuming I can re-tee the ball without taking a drop ie bring the ball into play by lifting my original ball and re-teeing it? This seems common sense but just wanted to be sure
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Yep. But you don't even have to declare your ball unplayable. You always have the option of replaying your last stroke under penalty of one stroke.

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw
Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
Ball: ProV1

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Just tee off as you normally would.

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Asheville Great Member

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Cool. I guess I like to let my playing partner aware of the situation before lifting my ball - just extra insurance.

Since this is the Rules folder, I'll add a little more. On another forum we've been talking over the times that the Rules require that a player announce his intentions or inform his opponent or fellow-competitor.

When must a player announce his intentions or inform his opponent or fellow-competitor?

Rule 3-3, which ball to score
Rule 5-3, lifting to determine if unfit for play
Rule 12-2, lifting to identify
Rule 27-2, provisional ball

(We think this list is complete, but there may be more ... anyone?)

"( Thus,) except under the limited number of cases above, there is no requirement for a player to consult either an opponent or a fellow-competitor at any time. If an opponent doesn't like what he did, he may make a timely claim. A fellow-competitor should report it to the committee. His marker should say something on completion of the hole and is entitled to refuse to sign his card." - Newby

Having said all of that ... rather than try to remember each of these, why not just speak up whenever you plan to touch your ball in play.

(I may get yelled at by Erik for veering off topic, but since the initial query was so expertly put to bed, these comments are for the further enlightenment of the OP and not intended to cause mischief.)

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In the same spirit, it's worth noting that in match play rule 9-2 requires that you notify your opponent as soon as practicable of any penalty that you incur, unless the situation was observed by the opponent, and obvious to him.....as would be the case in the OP.

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw
Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
Ball: ProV1

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Asheville Great Member

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In the same spirit, it's worth noting that in match play rule 9-2 requires that you notify your opponent as soon as practicable of any penalty that you incur, unless the situation was observed by the opponent, and obvious to him.....as would be the case in the OP.

Excellent, David ... I'll add that to the list.

"Age improves with wine."
 
Wishon 919THI 11*
Wishon 925HL 4w
Wishon 335HL 3h & 4h
Wishon 755pc 5i, 6i, 7i, 8i & 9i
Tad Moore 485 PW
Callaway X 54*
Ping G2 Anser C
Callaway SuperSoft
Titleist StaDry
Kangaroo Hillcrest AB
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In the same spirit, it's worth noting that in match play rule 9-2 requires that you notify your opponent as soon as practicable of any penalty that you incur, unless the situation was observed by the opponent, and obvious to him.....as would be the case in the OP.

Good call.  I also agree with Asheville that it's just showing respect for your fellow competitor to inform him any time you are not playing the ball as it lies, except when lifting the ball on the putting green.  Particularly when I'm playing in a competition, I always make certain that someone in my group knows what I'm doing and why I'm doing it so that any potential question can be resolved before I start the process.

I also try to stay in my FC's vicinity when I know that he will be lifting the ball under a rule in case he has any uncertainty as to what the procedure is.  Better for all concerned to discuss it before hand and get it right than to discuss it afterward and find out that you did it incorrectly.

Rick

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Ignorant Great Member

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Since this is the Rules folder, I'll add a little more. On another forum we've been talking over the times that the Rules require that a player announce his intentions or inform his opponent or fellow-competitor.

When must a player announce his intentions or inform his opponent or fellow-competitor?

Rule 3-3, which ball to score

Rule 5-3, lifting to determine if unfit for play

Rule 12-2, lifting to identify

Rule 27-2, provisional ball

(We think this list is complete, but there may be more ... anyone?)

There is this one specific situation described in Dec 20-1/0.7 where a player may lift his ball to find out if he is entitled to a relief. Before doing it he must inform his opponent/fc of his intentions.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Asheville

Since this is the Rules folder, I'll add a little more. On another forum we've been talking over the times that the Rules require that a player announce his intentions or inform his opponent or fellow-competitor.

When must a player announce his intentions or inform his opponent or fellow-competitor?

Rule 3-3, which ball to score

Rule 5-3, lifting to determine if unfit for play

Rule 12-2, lifting to identify

Rule 27-2, provisional ball

(We think this list is complete, but there may be more ... anyone?)

There is this one specific situation described in Dec 20-1/0.7 where a player may lift his ball to find out if he is entitled to a relief. Before doing it he must inform his opponent/fc of his intentions.

Excellent find, Ignorant ... we'll add that one to the short list. Thank you.

"Age improves with wine."
 
Wishon 919THI 11*
Wishon 925HL 4w
Wishon 335HL 3h & 4h
Wishon 755pc 5i, 6i, 7i, 8i & 9i
Tad Moore 485 PW
Callaway X 54*
Ping G2 Anser C
Callaway SuperSoft
Titleist StaDry
Kangaroo Hillcrest AB
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Asheville Great Member

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How about R4-4c Excess Club Declared Out of Play

Wow, John. That's even more obscure ... what a find! Well done, sir. :dance:

"Age improves with wine."
 
Wishon 919THI 11*
Wishon 925HL 4w
Wishon 335HL 3h & 4h
Wishon 755pc 5i, 6i, 7i, 8i & 9i
Tad Moore 485 PW
Callaway X 54*
Ping G2 Anser C
Callaway SuperSoft
Titleist StaDry
Kangaroo Hillcrest AB
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Declaring the ball "unplayable" you are entitled to relief. By using the rules you cited, the ball is in play automatically as soon as you hit it but you have to play the original ball, not one out of your bag. unless you declare the first ball "lost" and go with the applicable rules. Hope that makes sense.

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Declaring the ball "unplayable" you are entitled to relief. By using the rules you cited, the ball is in play automatically as soon as you hit it but you have to play the original ball, not one out of your bag. unless you declare the first ball "lost" and go with the applicable rules. Hope that makes sense.

Sorry, not true.

When declaring a ball unplayable, you may lift and clean the original ball, or you may substitute a ball.  Rule 28 pertains......

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw
Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
Ball: ProV1

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Fourputt Incredible Member

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Amswissgolfer

Declaring the ball "unplayable" you are entitled to relief. By using the rules you cited, the ball is in play automatically as soon as you hit it but you have to play the original ball, not one out of your bag. unless you declare the first ball "lost" and go with the applicable rules. Hope that makes sense.

Sorry, not true.

When declaring a ball unplayable, you may lift and clean the original ball, or you may substitute a ball.  Rule 28 pertains......

In addition, the player is not allowed to "declare" the ball lost.  A ball is only lost if it meets the definition in the Rules of Golf.

Lost Ball

A ball is deemed “lost” if:

a. It is not found or identified as his by the player within five minutes after the player’s side or his or their caddies have begun to search for it; or

b. The player has made a stroke at a provisional ball from the place where the original ball is likely to be or from a point nearer the hole than that place (see Rule 27-2b); or

c. The player has put another ball into play under penalty of stroke and distance under Rule 26-1a, 27-1 or 28a; or

d. The player has put another ball into play because it is known or virtually certain that the ball, which has not been found, has been moved by an outside agency (see Rule 18-1), is in an obstruction (see Rule 24-3), is in an abnormal ground condition (see Rule 25-1c) or is in a water hazard (see Rule 26-1b or c); or

e. The player has made a stroke at a substituted ball.

A ball may be lost without incurring a penalty, as in item "d" above.  This is also possible in some instances of item "e" .

Rick

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