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post #181 of 231
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Originally Posted by newtogolf View Post

Works for me, but I don't expect his behavior to change.

 

I don't either, but nobody can say we didn't give him many chances.

post #182 of 231
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Originally Posted by MiniBlueDragon View Post
 


It can definitely for those involved but from the perspective of someone arriving here after searching for the guy's name the whole thing looks a bit bizarre. "just as badly" maybe was a little strong but it's still a thread where the guy got called out, mocked to kingdom come, warned and then Penalty Boxed and then people went as far as to try to manufacture a search position to get this thread noticed as priority in order to blacken his already waning name.

I assume I missed the pitchfork distribution and collective lighting of torches. ;)

 

I tried to start a discussion with him and all he wanted to do was play games.  

 

The thread would show up high on a search engine search even if people weren't "manufacturing" a position.  We do very well with SEO.

post #183 of 231
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post
 

 

Yeah, we could only afford to ship them to Canada and the U.S.

 


 

I'm considering an experiment. Please let me know what you think.

 

  1. I'll let Cary out of the Penalty Box. Right now.
  2. If he manages to post some detailed information (with pictures acting only as supporting evidence, not as the content itself) that can be discussed and which answers the questions posed to him about his "method" and/or which discusses his "method," I'll move the "Googlebombing" posts (starting with #162 through one a few posts prior to this post) to a private forum (where search engines can't find them) and the thread can remain unlocked and open for discussion.
  3. If he fails to do that, within his first two posts again in this thread, this thread will remain open until such time as I lock it permanently.

 

Do you think that's fair @MiniBlueDragon? Others?

 

Maybe a bit too fair, but it is worth a shot.  If even only to prove a point to @MiniBlueDragon, a respected member.

 

Like newtoglolf, I dont expect his (Cary's) attitude to change.

post #184 of 231

I think his Penalty Box was deserved, that's not in question at all (and I think staying in there is the right course of action); it was the resulting amount of mockery from everybody culminating in a plan to get his named blackened even more I found a bit odd that's all.

@mvmac I agree the site ranks phenomenally already so there was no need for people to come up with ways to rank the thread even higher.

post #185 of 231

Sounds good to me, it gives Cary Schoen (@ZeroComp) another opportunity to prove that we were right about him from the get go.

post #186 of 231
Gauntlet thrown @ZeroComp let's see whatcha got and we'll be happy to discuss.
post #187 of 231
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@mvmac I agree the site ranks phenomenally already so there was no need for people to come up with ways to rank the thread even higher.

 

I think that topic was raised as a "universal benefit to the internet" type thing.  In other words, if/when he goes somewhere else, peddling his goods/services, some skeptical potential customer or patron can search and find an immediate and relevant answer to the query, "does this guy have any credibility?"

post #188 of 231
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The Lower Body Truth:
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Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post

The Lower Body Truth:

:doh: 

post #190 of 231
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Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post

The Lower Body Truth:

 

Cary I'll again remind you with the bold text:

 

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Originally Posted by iacas View Post
 
  1. I'll let Cary out of the Penalty Box. Right now.
  2. If he manages to post some detailed information (with pictures acting only as supporting evidence, not as the content itself) that can be discussed and which answers the questions posed to him about his "method" and/or which discusses his "method," I'll move the "Googlebombing" posts (starting with #162 through one a few posts prior to this post) to a private forum (where search engines can't find them) and the thread can remain unlocked and open for discussion.
  3. If he fails to do that, within his first two posts again in this thread, this thread will remain open until such time as I lock it permanently and he'll be permanently banned.

 

You've now wasted one of your first two posts. Here. I'll even help you out:

 

From what I can gather, Cary Schoen believes that:

  • Your trail foot should stay down a long time.
  • You don't need to send your hips forward much.
  • As such, you don't generate much secondary axis tilt.
  • You remain in forward flexion well into the follow-through.
  • Your hands and the handle of the club exit low and left.

 

Please explain each of these things, particularly the hips pieces since your rocks demonstrate a hip girdle that's moving forward quite a bit.

post #191 of 231
Thread Starter 

Sirs,

 

The following is an example of:

 

- A Lower body that does not thrust in a manner that costs him the ability to maintain his forward tilt until after the ball is hit.

- A Lower body that does not thrust in a manner that forces his swing plane to raise vertically and unintendedly send the baseline out to the right

 

Iacas, if this is not offering my thoughts in an informational context, I guess I deserve another timeout

 

post #192 of 231
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Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post
 

- A Lower body that does not thrust in a manner that costs him the ability to maintain his forward tilt until after the ball is hit.

- A Lower body that does not thrust in a manner that forces his swing plane to raise vertically and unintendedly send the baseline out to the right

 

Those simply say the same things that video shows (or is supposed to show). It does not say anything about WHY you prefer those things, WHAT makes those things better, HOW current pros are telling "lies" about current methods, etc.

 

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Iacas, if this is not offering my thoughts in an informational context, I guess I deserve another timeout

 

No, you've been permanently banned. I was very clear, VERY forgiving, and you've failed to provide actual information that can be discussed.

 

Goodbye Cary Schoen.

post #193 of 231
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Originally Posted by billchao View Post
 

:doh: 

 

I lol'd when I saw this, because it was what I was thinking.

post #194 of 231

Just my opinion but that swing looks like it can cause a lot of injuries.

post #195 of 231
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Originally Posted by flopster View Post
 

Just my opinion but that swing looks like it can cause a lot of injuries.

No doubt! Look at his right foot here.

post #196 of 231

I'll also point out that if he is a 9, then clearly it is NOT the best swing in the world. :doh:

post #197 of 231
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Originally Posted by flopster View Post
 

Just my opinion but that swing looks like it can cause a lot of injuries.

 

Agree, retaining too much forward flexion is a bad thing.

 

Compared to Hogan, which we assume he's trying to model, you can see how much more "thrust" Hogan puts in.  Note the secondary axis tilt due to the lower center being forward with the head steady on the right and the belt buckle is pointing towards the sky.  Hogan is releasing his forward flexion.

 

post #198 of 231
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Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post
 

Sirs,

 

The following is an example of:

 

- A Lower body that does not thrust in a manner that costs him the ability to maintain his forward tilt until after the ball is hit.

- A Lower body that does not thrust in a manner that forces his swing plane to raise vertically and unintendedly send the baseline out to the right

 

Iacas, if this is not offering my thoughts in an informational context, I guess I deserve another timeout

 

Isn't this pretty much a perfect example of what a lot of amateurs get wrong in the swing? Too much upper body, OTT, and path way left? I'm not the best at judging these things, but it doesn't look like a very powerful swing.

 

Also, if you slice, wouldn't sending the "baseline out to the right" actually help straighten it out?

 

Not that it matters much now, but I'm probably more confused about Cary Schoen's swing theories now, more than ever. He started by saying the majority of golfers don't utilize the pivot properly, and he finished by showing a model that doesn't do much pivoting?

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