or Connect
TheSandTrap.com › Golf Forum › The Practice Range › Instruction and Playing Tips › Cary Schoen and The Lower Body Lie That Is Devastating Golf (Troll Thread)
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Cary Schoen and The Lower Body Lie That Is Devastating Golf (Troll Thread) - Page 4

post #55 of 231

please lock this abortion of a thread.

post #56 of 231

Tick, tick, tick, tick......

post #57 of 231
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin007 View Post

please lock this abortion of a thread.

Colon,

It's cool. Everybody's cool. We're just discussing how the average golfer hasn't improved in 40 years even though the modern equipment has dramatically changed the game at the top level
post #58 of 231
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post

Colon,

It's cool. Everybody's cool. We're just discussing how the average golfer hasn't improved in 40 years even though the modern equipment has dramatically changed the game at the top level

 

That statement is untrue on two levels.

 

  1. You're not discussing anything.
  2. http://thesandtrap.com/t/35971/what-the-usga-and-club-manufacturers-dont-want-you-to-know/18#post_463168

 

Real subtle mis-spelling of a member's username, Cary.

post #59 of 231

Another washed out wanna-be pro, turned instructor, that claims to have discovered some secret to the golf swing shows up here trying to sell something under the guise of wanting intelligent discussion.....YAWN.  :sleep:

 

Cary, you're a much better fit on wrx than here, the instructors here understand the golf swing and how to teach, seems to be two areas you are severely lacking in. 

post #60 of 231
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post


Colon,

It's cool. Everybody's cool. We're just discussing how the average golfer hasn't improved in 40 years even though the modern equipment has dramatically changed the game at the top level

That average golfer has gotten taller and has much better dental hygiene.

post #61 of 231
Quote:
Originally Posted by boogielicious View Post
 

That average golfer has gotten taller and has much better dental hygiene.

 

They're also able to access more information more quickly, and are less likely to mistake a picture of rocks for "serious discussion."

post #62 of 231
Quote:
Originally Posted by iacas View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by boogielicious View Post
 

That average golfer has gotten taller and has much better dental hygiene.

 

They're also able to access more information more quickly, and are less likely to mistake a picture of rocks for "serious discussion."


Who can argue with these facts?

post #63 of 231
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by newtogolf View Post

Another washed out wanna-be pro, turned instructor, that claims to have discovered some secret to the golf swing shows up here trying to sell something under the guise of wanting intelligent discussion.....YAWN.  z3_sleep1.gif

Cary, you're a much better fit on wrx than here, the instructors here understand the golf swing and how to teach, seems to be two areas you are severely lacking in. 

Wow Newtogolf,

An instructor that has a competitive background, playing in 300 professional golf tournaments before beginning their full time teaching career is a bad thing ???

Also, what about my swing theories implies that I don't understand the golf swing ? and how in the world have you already gleaned that I don't know how to teach ? I have some students doing pretty well in competitive environments

Also, what have I tried to SELL ? I just wanted to have a discussion about the golf swing and why each year lesson takers don't improve ?
post #64 of 231
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post

Also, what have I tried to SELL ? I just wanted to have a discussion about the golf swing and why each year lesson takers don't improve ?

 

My lesson takers improve (and they know why, and they continue to improve after the lesson as they continue to improve their priority piece(s)). You'll find several people here who have taken lessons from me, or @mvmac, who have improved, even via online lessons, which are difficult for both the student and the instructor. And you've clearly missed the post above about how golfers are or aren't improving, despite the fact that the majority don't take lessons.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post

Also, what have I tried to SELL ? I just wanted to have a discussion about the golf swing and why each year lesson takers don't improve ?
 

Then do it already.

 

This post was very close to garnering your second warning.

post #65 of 231
@ZeroComp
Can you please take a look at my swing thread and tell me what I should work on? Thanks in advance
post #66 of 231
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post


Wow Newtogolf,

An instructor that has a competitive background, playing in 300 professional golf tournaments before beginning their full time teaching career is a bad thing ???

Also, what about my swing theories implies that I don't understand the golf swing ? and how in the world have you already gleaned that I don't know how to teach ? I have some students doing pretty well in competitive environments

Also, what have I tried to SELL ? I just wanted to have a discussion about the golf swing and why each year lesson takers don't improve ?

Well, I can't speak for @newtogolf, but, you really haven't shared much of what your swing theories are for us to know whether or not you understand the swing. With regards to the idea that you don't know how to teach, I'll put it like this; if you think what you've been doing here is discussion then your communications skills are severely lacking, which is a key skill to be a good teacher.

post #67 of 231
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post


Also, what about my swing theories implies that I don't understand the golf swing ? and how in the world have you already gleaned that I don't know how to teach ? I have some students doing pretty well in competitive environments
 

 

No one knows what your swing theories are because you are unable to articulate them.  All I know is that you've read TGM and probably don't like Grant Waite's swing.  You have yet to talk about the golf swing other than to ask me questions.

post #68 of 231
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post


Ok. I'll be good.

I'd like to DIRECTLY DISCUSS the role of the right hip in the golf swing:

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post


Wow Newtogolf,

An instructor that has a competitive background, playing in 300 professional golf tournaments before beginning their full time teaching career is a bad thing ???

Also, what about my swing theories implies that I don't understand the golf swing ? and how in the world have you already gleaned that I don't know how to teach ? I have some students doing pretty well in competitive environments

Also, what have I tried to SELL ? I just wanted to have a discussion about the golf swing and why each year lesson takers don't improve ?

Pictures of shirtless golfers and rocks combined with numerous posts that contain little or zero content has led me to conclude you can't teach.  While you haven't hit us up with you sales pitch yet, that doesn't mean it's not coming.

 

I'm always happy to be proven wrong, so go ahead and share with us the wisdom you claim to have and stop wasting all our time with senseless pictures and posts.

post #69 of 231

ZeroComp, can you answer the questions below?  I think this is what people mean when they ask you to discuss...

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post

The three main ways that golfers struggle with their downstroke pivot sequence are:
1) Overuse of the Lower Body
2) Wrong Sequence of Movement
3) Wrong Movement Direction

 

What do they do with their lower bodies?  What should they do with their lower bodies?  Why?

What sequence do they use?  What sequence should they use?  Why?

Which direction do they move?  What sequence should they move?  Why?

 

 

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post

Many of the prescribed remedies that instructors offer to struggling golfers include:
1) Be more aggressive with the lower body
2) Transfer your weight sooner and get more on your left side at impact
3) Bump or slide your hips toward the target to initiate your downswing

 

Why are these bad things?  What should the player do instead?  Why do you say these as remedies problematic

post #70 of 231
Wait, maybe we missed something-are those parts of your students hip bones? Because I keep staring at this picture and dont see any right hips or golf swings.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post

Ok. I'll be good.

I'd like to DIRECTLY DISCUSS the role of the right hip in the golf swing:

post #71 of 231
Quote:
Originally Posted by iacas View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroComp View Post

Also, what have I tried to SELL ? I just wanted to have a discussion about the golf swing and why each year lesson takers don't improve ?

 

My lesson takers improve (and they know why, and they continue to improve after the lesson as they continue to improve their priority piece(s)). You'll find several people here who have taken lessons from me, or @mvmac, who have improved, even via online lessons, which are difficult for both the student and the instructor. And you've clearly missed the post above about how golfers are or aren't improving, despite the fact that the majority don't take lessons.

 

I am one of those students. I took only 3 live lessons over 2 months, and am driving the ball much farther and straighter than I ever imagined and getting much closer to the green on approach shots. I definitely do NOT overuse my lower body in MY swing.

 

The struggle was before taking lessons here. I had 8 months of unsuccessful lessons to eliminate the issues I had.

post #72 of 231
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil McGleno View Post

Wait, maybe we missed something-are those parts of your students hip bones? Because I keep staring at this picture and dont see any right hips or golf swings.


This is a trace of Ben Hogan's right hip in a 3d model called Blobman, developed by Gregg McHatton.

The rock at the top right corner is his hip at address.

Everybody please quit being so mean to me. I'm fragile
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Instruction and Playing Tips
TheSandTrap.com › Golf Forum › The Practice Range › Instruction and Playing Tips › Cary Schoen and The Lower Body Lie That Is Devastating Golf (Troll Thread)