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post #19 of 205
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Originally Posted by billchao View Post


I think you missed the point, here. If you didn't hit the sweetspot of the club and put the ball exactly where you wanted on the line you intended, you mis-hit it.

As for the topic question, if I had the answer, I wouldn't need the question. I don't think it's something I'll really be able to answer until (IF) I get there.

then 100% of my shots are mis-hits because I'm not getting eagle 2's on every par 4… 

post #20 of 205
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Originally Posted by flopster View Post
 

Even though I'm only 5 strokes away it's still a wider gap in talent than 15-5 IMO. It feels like ball striking particularly approach irons have to be more consistent/accurate in order to get to the promised land. I also think putting needs to get a little more tighter than now, I went out today and made 3 long putts in the first 9 holes and feel as though I may be onto something, in reality though, I only had some long putts fall but to say I'm onto something 100% would be premature. I think if I still have good consistency with the new stroke a couple months from now then I think I can say I figured out a good stroke for me. My golf goal though for this year included getting below 3 so we will see if I can get it down to that and keep it there.

Bingo. When we first start playing we are doing all sorts of things badly and many of them have little to do with our golf swing mechanics. Pretty easy to take off a lot of strokes at that point by putting and chipping a little better and gaining some common sense about course management and knowing our capabilities.

 

At some point those easier ways to take off strokes are virtually used up (or at least slowed down) and we are left with ball striking. That's a tougher hill to climb and especially if we haven't practiced good mechanics from the start.

post #21 of 205

To simply answer the thread title, you need more Keys :-)

 

post #22 of 205

1. started playing golf at 46 years old - kinda bugs me that I'll never know how good I could have been if I started in high school (but at least I started ... I spoke to a starter the other day who started golfing after he retired, so it could be worse).

 

2. inherently tragic ineptness for putting.

post #23 of 205

Wow. Where to start?

 

1. Fat shots

2. Thin shots

3. Slices

4. Hooks

5. Pulls

6. Sand shots

7. Long putts

 

I'm actually decent at chipping and shorter putts.  But I don't get up and down 50% of the time as stated above.  Long story short - I've simply got to get better at hitting the ball more pure.  It feels so nice when I hit a good one.  Too nice I think. It seems it should be a bit more commonplace. 

post #24 of 205
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Originally Posted by WUTiger View Post
 

For starters, the fact I rarely break 90.

 

you just need to play courses with par = 90 or more

post #25 of 205

Scratch golf? Honestly it's not even on my radar. My golf problems are many. What it takes to get to scratch is what you consider when you are a 2 not a 10 or more. Not saying better golf shouldn't be a goal but it helps to be reasonable. The time I spent practicing last year was equivalent to a part time job and I just managed to knock my handicap down a couple points. In the end what it revealed was the "better" I got the more I realized how bad I really am. If anything golf seems harder to me now than when I got back into it in 2012. Though my expectations have changed.

post #26 of 205
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Originally Posted by Dave2512 View Post
 

Scratch golf? Honestly it's not even on my radar. My golf problems are many. What it takes to get to scratch is what you consider when you are a 2 not a 10 or more. Not saying better golf shouldn't be a goal but it helps to be reasonable. The time I spent practicing last year was equivalent to a part time job and I just managed to knock my handicap down a couple points. In the end what it revealed was the "better" I got the more I realized how bad I really am. If anything golf seems harder to me now than when I got back into it in 2012. Though my expectations have changed.


I think that Dave is taking the best approach. Sure, everyone can dream of dropping 10-15 strokes off their game just by practicing harder.  But the more reasonable approach is to work to first drop a couple of strokes, then a couple more, etc. Just make your "bad" shots a little bit better so that you can recover from them (you'd be surprised how few shots are hit "perfectly", even by pro golfers, by their own admission). Don't follow up a bad shot with another bad shot.  Play within your comfort zone. Don't try the heroic shot every time. Realize that par is a great score on any hole.

post #27 of 205

My objective is not to be a scratch golfer.  It is to be the best golfer I can be with my ability and the time I have to play and practice to improve.

post #28 of 205
Winter and key numbers 4 and 5.
post #29 of 205
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Originally Posted by KyleAnthony View Post
 

So i thought it would be fun to start a thread where people could write about what issues they feel are preventing them from shooting par. i know that not everyone thinks about what is going on, so maybe it will help some people realize what exactly goes wrong in their game.

I have been golfing for more than 50 years, and I've had a single digit handicap for about 30 years, but I've never had an even par score for 18 holes. 

 

What goes wrong?  I don't necessarily think that anything goes wrong.  While I would like to shoot even par at some point in the space-time continuum, I don't feel than an even par round is an ultimate goal that I need to achieve to enjoy playing the sport I love most. 

 

When I was younger, whenever my handicap got lower than a 6, I would become a "grinder."  (Someone who is intense while playing every shot during their round, and will become upset when they hit a bad shot, and not really appreciate the good ones.)  If I truly wanted to shoot par, I also know that there would be a time and money investment to make it possible. To me the time and money that I have is better spent on my family than in the pursuit of an even par score. 

 

It is kind of like a hole-in-one. When I step onto the tee of a par three hole, I fully hope to make a hole-in-one, but I know that it is not a reasonable expectation that I will. (In 1999, Golf Digest reported, "One insurance company puts a PGA Tour pro's chances at 1 in 3,756 and an amateur's at 1 in 12,750.")  Statistically, I hit the green on a par three hole 1 time out of 3 attempts, and average 3.5 strokes. In addition, in over 50 years, I have only holed out from more than 150 yards only twice.  So, if I hit a good shot and land within 10 feet of the hole, I am truly thrilled.

 

The same applies to an even par score for me. I have no reasonable expectation that I will shoot even par, and any time I break 80, it is a great day.  I love the golf journey that I currently travel, so why get upset if you can't shoot even par?

post #30 of 205
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Originally Posted by flopster View Post
 

Even though I'm only 5 strokes away it's still a wider gap in talent than 15-5 IMO.

 

I think this is a key point.  Ever since I was playing more around a 12-13, I've felt when playing with guys in the, say, 3-6 range that I definitely have the athletic ability to play in that range eventually.  I've played with only a very few guys in the 0-2 range (and I don't think I've ever played with a +), but getting to that level feels like a whole different question than getting down to playing in the 70s most of the time (what I think of as the 3-6 range).

 

I look at it this way.  The difference between an 85 and a 78 (a reasonable round for a 11-13 player and a 4-6 player respectively) can be something like the 78 player avoiding a couple 3-putts the 85 player made, successfully getting up and down on a couple holes where reasonable misses on the approach left what should be a high percentage U/D chance, making a couple really excellent approaches that lead to birdie, and the 78 player avoiding one of the two OB tee shots made by the 85 player.  Then going from 85 to 78 only requires slightly tightening up the putting and green-side shots and gaining the level of accuracy to avoid more than one really terrible tee shot and more than a few tee shots in jail. That's all really doable with some practice.  Just slight tightening of a few facets of the game.

 

But what about going from 78 to 72?  Then you've gotta take what are huge steps in every facet of the game.  You rarely miss big.  When you hit a tee shot off line, you can shape and control trajectory and still be confident of hitting the green regularly.  Your missed approach shots are almost always slight misses to good spots.  When you miss, your short game is super tight and you get easy tap-ins a large percentage of the time.  Your putting is on the money so you make up lots of strokes making a decent percentage of 10-20 footers and are very high percentage of those down shots of an U/D where you left yourself 5 feet instead of 2 feet.  These are all very hard things to do!

post #31 of 205

Not being proficient enough in keys 1 thru 5

Not being good at the short game

post #32 of 205

The 3 T's: Time, Talent, and Treasure.

post #33 of 205
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Originally Posted by mdl View Post

The difference between an 85 and a 78 (a reasonable round for a 11-13 player and a 4-6 player respectively) can be something like the 78 player avoiding a couple 3-putts the 85 player made, successfully getting up and down on a couple holes where reasonable misses on the approach left what should be a high percentage U/D chance, making a couple really excellent approaches that lead to birdie, and the 78 player avoiding one of the two OB tee shots made by the 85 player.

 

despite the thread title, I'm stopping with here - it resonates and leads me to what I'd like to improve on for this year

post #34 of 205

12 greens in regulation

up and down 50% of the time

Don't 3 putt

Make 3 birdies

 

There you go, scratch golf in its average glory

post #35 of 205
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Originally Posted by boogielicious View Post
 

My objective is not to be a scratch golfer.  It is to be the best golfer I can be with my ability and the time I have to play and practice to improve.

 

This. More and more, I'm just enjoying the process, the ride than the goal - I really don't have any clear goals to be honest, just enjoy the learning part.

 

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Originally Posted by RFKFREAK View Post
 

Talent.

 

Bingo amundo...

post #36 of 205

1. Short game. I make too many doubles from 3-putts and not getting up and down.

2. Blow-up holes. For example, my score two days ago was 78. If you can believe this: I had a triple bogey, 2 double bogeys, 2 bogeys, 3 birdies, and 11 pars. Turn those blow up holes into bogeys and I shoot 74. 

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