Originally Posted by saevel25
Originally Posted by Fourputt
You don't seem to get the point. Skins has a couple of good points. One, the weaker players have just about as much of a chance of winning on a well played hole as the better players, as long as the skill disparity isn't too pronounced or the handicap strokes are fairly alloted.
When played with carries, the pressure builds as the holes build, even when the stakes are small. I've never seen more than 5 or 6 holes carried in a foursome. If you have any sort of competitive spirit, a 5 hole carry for a quarter per hole is magnified by the relative feeling of accomplishment or failure when the carry finally falls. It's especially true when during that run, those great shots happen that put pressure on the others to keep the ties going. The great bunker shot to 1 foot that suddenly turns another player's 6 foot birdie for a win into a yipped 2 putt for a tie. That plus the joking and razzing that goes with it just makes it all more fun. It's not about finding motivation, it's about just adding an extra level of fun and competition.
Actually skins benefit the higher handicapper. Since it is very hard to go better than a birdie, if a good player gets a birdie, then a high handicap player can get a par or bogie with handicap and tie them on a hole. While if a high handicap gets a par, then they are assured not to loose the hole. So Skins are actually very much tilted towards a higher handicap player.
Not true, any more than it's true in match play. A well played hole is a well played hole, regardless. If the handicaps are honestly obtained and properly applied, your statement is meaningless.
I've been playing skins for several years in a group of anywhere from 5 to 15 players (depending on how many show up on a given Wednesday), with handicaps ranging from 4 to around 20, and the 20 doesn't win any more often than the 4. We always follow USGA guidelines and wheel off the low cap, the lowest playing scratch and everyone else getting the difference. As an 11-12, I would win some, lose some, but I doubt that the total gain or loss over 5 years of almost weekly play would make $100. It just isn't significant.
I've said it before and the facts haven't changed... the only time that a low handicap is a deficit is when he is trying to compete in a stroke competition against a large group including many high handicappers. That is the only time that the variability of the high handicap might gain a potential advantage, and even then it's only one or two in the whole group who inevitably happen to wake up and play golf that day. The rest of the bogey golfers will still play their usual game and lose handsomely to the consistency of the better player.
In a typical foursome, the best player will usually show the best result because of that consistency. The odds will still favor him.