Hi golfguy, what I now do in this situ, (off the green by a just a few feet) is use my 7 iron very much like a putter, I will try to stroke the ball so it lands a third of the distance to pin, clearing the rough/fairway grass, and then roll the other 2 x thirds towards the pin, this might not look as pretty as a lovely little chip with a sw, but its easy to control and often leaves me close enough to putt out!, and zero chance of skulking/ blading!!!!!
Thanks ;) Not worried about looking pretty, just want to get rid of double and triple bogeys on holes where my approach shot is not far off the green! You would think zero chance of skulling right? I actually have sculled this shot many times too (using 7i like putter). No clue why.
GET A CHIPPER.....!
I know, not cool, and you won't do it, but it will take a LOT of strokes off your game, especially when used in conjunction with the "putting method" of chipping.
And yeah, if you're 3-putting that often, you need to work on distance control on your lag putts too.
I actually never knew this existed until last week! A buddy of mine had one on the practice range and I thought it was just a practice / training aid! I used and actually did hit some great chips with relative ease. I mentioned to him that its too bad you cant use it on the course and he looked at me like I was crazy. Pretty embarassing I have been playing for about 5 years and just heard about this club!
This is interesting and seems helpful, I would def. need to make myself a little notecard to bring to the course if I were to adopt this method. Problem for me is, none of this does any good if my stroke on these shots continues to be completely off ;(
First, practice putting. 3-4 putting is not good. I would recommend having someone look at your putting stroke, it might be off. Which would make it impossible for the person to gain touch or feel on putts because the contact is bad.
Putting the ball back in your stance will bring the leading edge into play. This makes hitting the ball first paramount. It is a lot of pressure on the short game. Once you duff a few, or chunk a few, then all hell breaks loose with thin shots and chunks. Its a horrible spot to be in.
If I can I putt the ball around the green. If I can't putt the ball the I really just do short pitch shots. I like using the bounce.
Thanks for the input. I know my putting is terrible. QUESTION: I was fitted for a putter and they said I should definitely be using face balanced. The putter I use now is toe balanced, do you think that could be making a substantial difference? (the rest of the specs fit me on the toe balanced that im using, almost no offset and legnth is perfect).
I guess its just I have seen so much conflicting approaches to these shots, I thought playing ball back in stance was proper thing to do, but the more im reading and seeing it seems that would not be the correct approach, at least for me.
I def. do putt from off the green whenever it is possible as well.
The funny thing is, I actually have been hitting my pitch shots very well. Although im not always gauging distance correctly, I never chunk or thin any of these shots and always make good / decent contact. I have noticed when doing this properly you can actually afford to not make 100% clean contact (maybe hit a little behind it) and STILL hit a decent shot! Maybe I should just adopt the pitch for all these off the green shots and work on controlling the distance?
Your quickest return on time investment is in putting: One key (mine) to reducing 3-putt greens, (honestly, I don't even know what a FOUR putt green is!) is to be able to lag any putt to within 5 feet. Then, a practice regimen that makes those 2-5 foot putts nearly automatic is required. Before each round, I hit the practice green with 2 golf balls. I hit 2' putts with both balls from 4 sides of a relatively flat hole placement. Then, move out to 3' then 5. Wash, rinse, repeat. Then I take the same 2 balls to a hole that isn't quite flat. This gives me oppty at uphill, downhill and both side breaking putts. Same thing. 2, 3 and 5' range putts. Make as many as you can. Finish up your practice session lagging 15, 20 and 30' putts with a focus on getting them ALL inside 5 feet. You should be ready to 2-putt most greens. The premise is that you've been there and done it so many times that when you're on the greens, you become nearly automatic on thee short putts.
Chipping is a whole other ball game. My premise again is that you have to have been there and done it hundreds of times to be relatively assured of success when a shot presents itself on the course. I like the video someone posted about changing clubs based on flight and roll out. This is a great technique and I've used it with good success. The problem is that it assumes you have a tight lie, and clear access to the pin placement. Not always the case during your round and where the misses end up.
I practice my short game a lot working from the green collar to medium and deep rough. What works BEST for me is a 58* Vokey wedges with a good (11* I think) degree of bounce. It goes through anything and is forgiving on even the tightest of lies. Also learn how to square the face, open the face and slide it under the ball. Lots of 'nuances' to the short game.
Back to your original post: Blading sometimes means that your right hand is passing your left hand resulting in a 'scooping' motion. This is what I've seen people do who 'skull' the ball regularly. Keep those hands consistent with the left hand leading through the shot and well after impact. that should help you a bit.
Thanks for the advice - I like that putting drill and use it before rounds as well - I think I need to be practicing my putting much more than just :30 mins before a round though ;(
As I just mentioned above, I actually have a much easier time pitching the ball up in the air but do not always gauge distance correctly. However this is a shot that I rarely mis-hit. Maybe I should just do what is working better for me at the moment and forget all these low chips and trying to run up to the hole etc? Maybe better to pitch it high and work on distance control to land it close?
Like Dave said working on getting those lag putts close will help reduce 3/4 putting
Best thing I can say for the short game nerves is keep practicing, and when you're on course facing that shot trust your swing. Don't get ahead of yourself and worry about where the ball is gonna go, instead pick the swing you are gonna make and focus on that. When you make that swing keep your head down until you hear the ball land.
When this issue is seen in the shooting world it's called anticipation. The shooter becomes so worried about seeing where his shot went that he forgets about all the stuff that needs to happen before the bang. Long story short the solution to this is to focus on having a good grip, look at your front sight, and a slow smooth trigger squeeze. In golf I try to apply these things, as I had the same problem you did but with every shot because I was so excited to see where the ball was going.
Sorry to get off topic I just found that was how I fixed a similar issue, plus I'm only on my second cup of coffee.
Ha, nice analogy! General speaking I am very antsy on the course and I know this is at least a little bit of my problem..especially since my practice shots (full shots, chips, pitches etc.) are much much better than when im on the course and feeling nervous.
As an 18 HCP I spend the majority of my time working on my full swing since it is a prerequisite to a good round, which for me is in the high 80's. You seem to have a decent full swing and with 9 GIR and a few yards off the green for the remainder, it should not be too difficult to knock 5-6 strokes off your game.
I would recommend taking the time to find a good short game facility with putting, chipping, pitching, and sand shots, and dedicate a full session (1-2) hours weekly until you get some confidence - and don't be afraid to start with a lesson strictly on the short game. I would also take a look at the golf ball you are playing - many people will tell you that you have no business playing a ball with a moderate amount of spin, which may not be true. I switched last year to a couple of lower priced urethene covered balls (Gamer Tour and RBZ U) and have had a ball watching my short pitches and chips hugging the green instead of rolling like a marble.
Have fun and good luck.
Yeah, it's funny because at the end of the round when a playing partner asks what I shot they always think it was 6-8 strokes less than what it really was. I guess if your playing with someone who is hitting a decent amount of greens it is hard to understand how they are shooting high 90s / 100. Not at all saying my long game is great, but it is definitely good enough to where I could / should be breaking 90 regularly if my short game was not so terrible.
chipping is the strongest part of my game. never used to be ... i bought one of those $20 chipping nets & put it in the corner of my living room & have hit thousands of chips into it. It has made a dramatic improvement in my chipping - just gives me confidence - I love to chip now. Chipping and putting are the two things you can do in your house/apt ... assuming you have carpet and not hardwood
I have been practicing lately in the house (carpet) as well...Good to hear others do the same. I will continue that ;)