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Mock Instructor Trials #001 - Richard

post #1 of 47
Thread Starter 

Video:

 

 

Ball Contact: Average to Decent

 

Ball Flight: Short, low, pulls/cuts

 

Current Handicap (at time of video): 12.1

 

Physical Limitations: None

 


 

Questions for the Mock Instructors:

 

Which Key do you call this lesson? Why?

 

What do you prioritize as top piece? Why?

 

How do you attack that piece and what results would you like to see (in that piece and any related pieces)?

 


 

Don't put them in spoilers. Someone could just click on those if they wanted to. Just take in the above, and post your responses. Do it on your honor that you won't look at anyone else's videos before posting.

post #2 of 47

First priority piece I would suggest is a steeper shoulder turn to get the hands deeper at the top of the swing. I would do this to try and prevent the over the top move.

 

The second piece, would be key #2 and getting his weight forward. Probably have him hit balls with the foam half ball that you guys have in the video so he can learn to hit the ball with his weight forward.

post #3 of 47

Lets give this a go shall we. 

 

Lesson: Key 2 - Weight Forward

 

Freebies - Flare the feet a bit. Get the lower back less arched, and upper back less straight, head down a bit. This will help with hip turn, and the slight upward pull his head gets from the backswing, a tendency of not looking down at the ball through center of the eyes. 

 

 

He gets his weight way to far to the right in the backswing, and isn't able to get it forward at impact. The right knee should be at or past the black line at impact, he barely gets it back to were it originally started. He can possible get away with this for the driver because he can hit up on the ball, but for irons it would mean very steep angle of attack and high chance of chunking or thinning the ball. Also the weight forward will help promote key 3, flat left wrist. He's not bad at impact, but could be in a really good position. His key number 1 is pretty good, his head doesn't move much. So 2 out of 3 aint to bad, just needs to really work on that weight forward. 

 

That would be the priority piece.

 

On the side he could work on getting his hips to rotate better. He has nearly non existent hip turn in the backswing. Working on key 2 can help this as well, getting his hips to rotate on the proper plane will allow him to easily transfer his weight more forward. 

post #4 of 47

Which Key do you call this lesson? Why?

 

#2. @A7 50/50... 60/40? weight distribution.

 

What do you prioritize as top piece? Why?

 

His BS.  I think it's causing him to go over the top, path very out to in. His head is steady, but not turning hips back and not getting left shoulder back, in and down enough.

 

How do you attack that piece and what results would you like to see (in that piece and any related pieces)?

 

Try and feel the left shoulder much more over the right foot on BS. Do the opposite direction of the throw the rock over the fence drill. Throw the rock over the fence behind you. Also weight forward coming down and extension post impact, hump the giraffe.

 

 

post #5 of 47

Pretty much agree with Mike. Two main priorities are getting the hands going more inward on the backswing and getting the weight moving more forward (or less backwards!) on the downswing. For the former, he's going to need to be taught how to straighten his right leg more and feel more stretch in the right side. That'll allow the left shoulder to go down more and the hands to go in more. That's going to start getting the sweet spot coming in to the ball more from the inside, which is also going to make it easier and more natural for him to slide his weight forward onto the left foot instead of backing up frantically to try and shallow out the shaft and get the path less to the left. I'd call it primarily a Key 4 lesson with a little Key 2 thrown in.

post #6 of 47

Just for fun, because there aren't many people that know less about the swing than I do, but I'm trying to learn.

 

Clearly an issue with Key 2, weight forward.

 

He also has a problem similar to mine in that his hips and shoulders strike me as too flat.  That's causing an over the top move and the pulls (when the clubface squares at impact) and cuts (when he leaves it open as a result of being so far behind the ball).

 

Taking what I learned from you and Dave, I'd start him increasing flex in the left leg in the back-swing while feeling the right hip move up and back and the left shoulder down and in.  That will help keep his weight forward by keeping that left foot on the ground help him start to route the clubhead more inside.

post #7 of 47

I don't know a lot of the golf swing, but I'll try to apply what I've learned here so far...

 

He has very little lower body action, and I think that's a big reason he is so steep at A4 and comes over the top. In the end, the biggest issue I think is Key #2. But first, I think he needs to work on the backswing to get in a better position at A4. 

 

 

My recommendation would be to get more flex in the lead knee and maybe a little less flex in the trail knee to get the hips a little more tilted. Second, the trail elbow is really high, so I think I would have him hit some shots with a head cover under his trail arm. Hopefully all of this will get him in a better position at A4 to come into the ball from the inside, instead of over the top. 

 

Like I said before, Key #2 appears to be the biggest issue. At A7, he appears to have more weight on the trail foot, and the heel is firmly planted. Shoulders are also really flat, and I think it's probably just a result of the over the top move; he's having to clear his left should around, instead of it rotating up and around. 

 

 

In fact, both feet are still planted at A9.5. Not until the very end of the swing does he pick up the trail heel, but it's obviously a forced move. 

 

 

As far as drills for Key #2, I think rolling the ankles would be the place to start, so that he can get that feeling of feet moving. Once he's comfortable with that, then I think the preset hips drill would be really useful. At this point, having the hips move forward is going to feel really strange, so it's going to be a lot of slow swings to start getting the feeling of weight forward.

post #8 of 47

The glaring visual is key#2 but you cannot address with any drills until he fixes the way too upright back swing and OTT move down.

 

First priority is to flare the feet out a bit to get the right hip deeper in order to get that left shoulder down in the back swing.   And finding the feel that works for him to do that and get the hands deeper to allow for a proper downswing path.

 

I say the lesson is key number #4 at first sweet spot path.

 

Then you move to key #2 at a different time.

post #9 of 47
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post
 

 

Questions for the Mock Instructors:

 

Which Key do you call this lesson? Why?

 

What do you prioritize as top piece? Why?

 

How do you attack that piece and what results would you like to see (in that piece and any related pieces)?

 

I don't really consider myself a mock instructor, but it seems fun, so I'll play the game.  I figure you guys put the keys in order (somewhat) so I'll just use that logic to say that my first lesson to him would be a Key #2 lesson.  His head isn't really moving at all - so I'd say he's fine with Key #1 - but he is very flat-footed, with virtually no weight transfer to the front side until after he hits the ball.

 

I'd start by having him flare out his right foot and then we'd work on his pivot.  (Basically the same exact thing you guys did with "my two dads")  On the backswing, feel the bend in the left knee, left shoulder under the chin, and right side streeeeeeeeeeetching.  In conjunction with that, I'd have him do pre-set drills because I think that is a really good way to get a feel for what it's like to have your weight forward, and what it feels like to make a really strong downward strike.

 

And ... that's pretty much my guess.

post #10 of 47

I think Richard's priority is Key #1. He manages to keep his head steady, but isn't really making a proper pivot with the rest of his body, which leads to problems with the other keys.

 

You can see that his hips have moved laterally away from the target. With the weight shifting this far back, it can be really hard to get it forward by impact (which he doesn't, he just hangs back there throughout the entire downswing). You can also see that he doesn't turn his shoulders and hips much, which leads to his hands not being very deep. He's going to have a hard time hitting the ball from the inside from that position, which is part of the reason why he makes a big OTT move.

 

The first adjustment I would make is to his setup. He is standing in that "athletic" posture that people advocate that's wrong: chin up, shoulders back, arched back.

I would have him set up with the lower back straight, but the upper back rounded to allow him to see the ball more in his central field of vision. A little more posterior tilt as well to get the weight a bit more in the balls of his feet. The other setup adjustment I would make is to flare both his feet out more. The right foot flare especially will help his right knee to lose some of its flex in the backswing, which will allow his hips to turn more.

 

The piece I've identified as his priority is the centered pivot, more specifically, his left shoulder needs to turn more downwards as opposed to horizontally.

The dots on the right follow the movement of his left shoulder from A1 to A4. He needs to turn it more downwards as opposed to backwards, which will help him turn both his shoulders and hips more without the lateral sway.

 

In summary: At address, flare both feet, round the shoulders forward and tuck the butt in. Feel like the left shoulder is turning down instead of back and the right shoulder should feel like it's turning more up and around.

post #11 of 47
Thread Starter 

Good job so far. Lots of good responses. Keep it up.

 

I grabbed some "after" photos from his most recent lesson (almost six months ago) that I'll post as well in a few days. Someone pester me next week when this thread slows down or something.

post #12 of 47
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post

Good job so far. Lots of good responses. Keep it up.

I grabbed some "after" photos from his most recent lesson (almost six months ago) that I'll post as well in a few days. Someone pester me next week when this thread slows down or something.

I don't plan on reading any responses till after I had a chance to give mine.. But can I at least get credit for having this idea start in my swing thread? Even if it wasn't my idea! ;)
post #13 of 47
Oh and can the person with the best response win something?
post #14 of 47
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Abu3baid View Post

Oh and can the person with the best response win something?

 

A congratulations.

 

But no, because the point is to have some fun and learn a little. I'd rather people respond and just take a stab at it, with their gut reaction, than try hard to "win" something.

post #15 of 47

Could probably get away with the backswing being too far outside (although not ideal) if he led the downswing with the lower body and let the left arm drop with the club laying off before hitting at the ball.

 

First move from the top is to try to hit at the ball without the lower body leading the way, and not in a weight forward position from the start to get away with that.

 

Skipping about 1,000 rocks would straighten him out.

post #16 of 47

My guess is Richard is a Freddy Couples fan,he seems too try and restrict any lower body movement and just pick the club up like FC seems to do.Freddy drops the club down to the inside on the way down and Richard does not(check Richard vs Freddy's club head at 9 o'clock on the way down).There are a lot of differences between R and FC but the down swing is really noticeable.The side view starting at 1:30 is best.

 

post #17 of 47
Freebird, the question is not about if he is a Freddie Couples fan.
post #18 of 47
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Freebird, the question is not about if he is a Freddie Couples fan.

I think with any golf analysis the bottom line question is -what is wrong? The FC comparison and dropping the club to the inside was a pretty good analysis I thought.

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