Originally Posted by saevel25
If they don't agree with you then they are oppressors of opinions. Seems like the standing tactic for those who end up having their opinions proven wrong. Though being wrong doesn't mean you have to change them, it just means they are wrong. In this situation probably wrong a good majority of the time.
Here is the thing, how often does those other factors come into play? If those examples are only 5% off all approach shots, then what is stated here works for 95% of the time.
I can't count on my hand the number of times I have played on a green that was significant enough in size that I had to consider it two or more greens. It doesn't happen as often as you think.
How often do other factors come into the shot decision making process? Pretty much every shot :)
Hi mate. I don't mind at all if they disagree, as long as people don't mind if I disagree.
Like I said, how often do other factors come into exactly where I shoot into a green? Practically ever time I shoot into a green, that is no exaggeration.
I'll just take one factor - topography - but there are many more, wind speed and direction is a biggy that may make you err one way or the other.
I'm a member of a big, fairly tough 18 hole course near me but practice on a tight 9 hole course 5 minutes from my house quite a bit, so looking at that course:
1st is a par 4, it has out of bounds just off the left side of the green. If the flag is left side I'm firing right of it, maybe middle of the green. my offset will depend on several factors, yardage is one of them. If it is right side I'm shooting at the pin.
3rd is a par 3, out of bounds left of the green, bunker sticking into the left hand side of the green and 10 foot high bunker guarding the front, green slopes steeply away from you at the front. I'm going long and right of the pin - if the pin is left this may be the middle (depends on how brave I'm feeling) if the pin in right I may fire straight at it.
6th is a 2 tier par 3, 48 yards exactly front to back, change in elevation front to back is probable about 40 feet (not measured but both halves of the green slope and the tier itself is a good 15 feet high. Wind into me and flag on the top tier I'm not shooting at the middle, I'm aiming long.
9th is a short par 4 but with out of bounds right and long of the green and they often put the pin in the back right corner. If they do I'm playing short. If the pin is front left I'm shooting at it - the miss isn't a 'show stopper' here.
So, quickly off the top of my head, on an 18 hole round there's 8 times (obviously you go round twice) when you would be nuts to 'blindly' chose your shot without thinking about topography and the penalty for a miss in one place vs another.
It's a windy day and it's blowing hard right to left on the 3rd and my irons are a little shaky and I'm aiming to land the ball further right than a calm day, on the same hole with a gentle breeze left to right ie away from trouble. I might be a little 'braver' then.
It's "shades"..... but it's "shades" on every shot.
Personal opinion? You can't read a book that'll tell you how to play or where to shoot.
I can count cards. It's mathematical, there are formulas and it will never change. There is the right thing to do in any given situation given the relative 'strength' of the remaining deck, a simple computer program can do it. Golf isn't like that. You have to think about it and your decision making is based on topography, met conditions, your game generally, your form that day, maybe even your place in the tournament. Give me the same yardage out from every pin on a course and my aiming point will vary depending on a whole host of factors.