Originally Posted by impactswing
Golf at the highest levels is played at conditions 98% of golfers will never play at.
After sand bunker shot, you have guys sweeping sand off greens, on pro venues often.
Fairways look like greens on excellently maintained courses.
Greens look like new billard tables.
So these are the conditions the best golfers play on daily.
The most elite private clubs come close.
Decent private courses the conditions start to show they are way below pristine.
The average private course is sub condition, and most public and muni courses are disasters.
If you play a course where an elite pro event is played, you see how much GUR there is and the conditional rules they put into play.
Faurways are fairways, you should have a FAIR lie in them and todays elite players expect pristine in fairways.
And I say again, that isn't how the real world operates. You play the ball as it lies unless the area is marked. If you want to continue to play your form of fantasy golf, be my guest, but don't come on to a rules forum and expect to get any sort of agreement. You aren't playing golf. Golf is a game of dealing with adversity, not floating along in an idyllic paradise.
As I said above, I worked a PGA Tour event, and even that was not perfect. Players occasionally had to play from less than perfect lies, even in the fairway. You have 20+ acres of terrain exposed to the weather, and that makes it nearly impossible to guarantee a pristine environment, even when you have unlimited funding, which most real life courses don't.
I also mentioned that there is no such thing as "fairway" in the rules of golf. The course is divided into four terrain types: the teeing ground and the putting green of the hole being played, hazards (including water hazards and bunkers), and through the green which is everything else. Nowhere is fairway mentioned. Nowhere is there a reference saying that the player is entitled to a good lie anywhere on the course. Even though the PGA Tour invokes the preferred lies local rule when it really isn't needed, that doesn't make it the right thing to do.
The fact that the Tour pros are catered to excessively is not a positive comment. They tend to be a bunch of pampered whiny crybabies, completely out of touch with the real game of golf. Apparently you lump yourself with them, so that's about all I have to say to you.