Originally Posted by luu5
I hate being called Caucasian, not that I have anything against people living in Caucasus region.
I know about its history and implications - I stay away from it.
Originally Posted by Golfingdad
Sure, but what is worse ... referring to somebody from Beijing as "Asian" or trying to impress and calling them "Korean?" While I could easily sit here and tell you that I'm able to tell if somebody is Korean or Japanese or Vietnamese based on looks alone, that isn't always true. So, to be safe, if I'm not totally sure, I'll go with Asian.
But, hey, even Chinese people have trouble with this one sometimes:
Don't try and impress, just ask? I lost count of how many Koreans have asked me on the golf course whether I was Korean (I'm Chinese). Doesn't bother me one bit. I prefer you just come straight out and ask rather than poke around with indirect questions. And like I said, I sometimes have problems telling the difference and a majority of my friends are Asian and many of them have problems as well. Here's the face test - http://alllooksame.com/exam_room.php. - but you have to register. I think I got a little over 50%.
Originally Posted by Lihu
Intelligent people have said some pretty stupid things at times. The common name for that is "Brain Fart".
Elkington has referred to Pakistanis as Pakis, said Stephanie Wei had small breasts and then tried to make up for it by posting a highly sexualized cartoon of Wei as Marilyn Monroe, now this thing with Sam, how many brain farts can you have? At best, he's purposely provocative. At worst, he's a misogynist, racist and homophobic.
Originally Posted by billchao
Wait, Oriental is supposed to be derogatory? Never bothered me one bit.
Two states have passed bills banning the word Oriental in official documents. Washington way back in the early 2000s and New York more recently. I've often been asked in the workplace/corporate world whether I found the term offensive. Urban Dictionary and countless web pages on the internet address this. Being born in the US and having had the entire collection of hateful terms way worse than Oriental hurled at me, especially in elementary/Junior High School, I can tell you Oriental has been used as a racial slur towards me, but rarely. It also evokes for me, the Chinese Exclusion and Immigration acts.
Originally Posted by Valleygolfer
So are we (thesandtrap) boycotting or unsubscribing from his tweets. I know we have his feed into our chat engine...
I listen to the music of composers and read writers who are know anti-Semites, racists, etc... This situation isn't a direct parallel, so hard to say. If it's kept, just keep his tweets in the back of your mind.
TL;DR: I can tell if someone is using the word Oriental in a derogatory manner, so use it if you want to, but I'd much prefer the word gone altogether.
“It’s associated with a time period when Asians had a subordinate status,” Professor Wu told the Times. He added that people link the term to old stereotypes of Asians and the era when the United States government passed exclusion acts to keep Asian people from entering the country. Given this, “For many Asian Americans, it’s not just this term: It’s about much more…It’s about your legitimacy to be here,” Wu said.
In 1991, the University of Pennsylvania still had an Oriental Studies Department that included everything from East Asian Studies to North African Languages. The school’s Asian students asserted that the term “Oriental” was racist, and after a yearlong debate about what name would encompass all the fields of study in the department, it was renamed the Department of Asian and Middle Eastern Studies.
Why is the term “oriental” considered derogatory? Here is one way of answering that question – “o-word” is derogatory because “n-word” derogatory. At some point in American social discourse, people decided that because n-word is derogatory, certain other words denoting other racial groups must be derogatory as well.
Politically incorrect term used in place of "Asian." Correct usage should be an adjective for things like inanimate objects, not humans.
Correct usage: There's an Oriental rug store on Derbe Drive.
Are you going to the Oriental market?
Incorrect usage: Is that dude oriental?
Orientals are known to be bad drivers.