Originally Posted by iacas
Tiger's backswing was not restricted. He slid his hips, too. BTW, sliding the hips is how good players create secondary axis tilt. You really can't just create it at setup, because to make a full turn, you're gonna have a heck of a time keeping your hips that far forward.
Michelle Wie presets the hip pretty far forward, with good secondary tilt, even head tilted a bit, and doesn't overdo the backswing either. Shoulders at the top are still pointing ahead of the ball, and the club doesn't come near to parallel, and this is either a driver or three wood off the tee. She even has the ball maybe an inch back of where many people are playing that shot.
The three substanital differences I see from what Kiran is teaching are:
1. She obviously shifts her weight into that front heel, and also lifts the back foot well before impact, in order to get the weight forward and get a strong hip turn. I think Kiran's advice to keep the back foot down as long as possible, while it is used as a "feel" by some golfers to avoid too much sway, is going to be counterproductive for some golfers unless there is something else there ensuring they actually do get the weight forward before impact. This is why I asked Patrick if Kiran taught the step into the left heel; I thought maybe I had missed it somewhere.
2. Obviously, like most of the experienced golfers on Kiran's videos, she doesn't use anything like Kiran's idea of maintaining the wrists uncocked throughout the swing. I've yet to see anyone successfully demonstrate this one in a way that works. Kiran claims this will maintain the width of the swing, which maybe sounded good to her in theory, but in practice it doesn't seem to work for anyone. Even Kiran herself when she attempts this is quite obviously compensating as a result by bending the lead elbow instead, which is likely causing more timing issues, and loss of power and accuracy, in addition to losing width, than would maintaining a natural wrist cock. If you stand naturally with your arms at your side, your wrists will be "cocked". Put something light in your hand, even a club held from the wrong end, so the handle extends, and it will only slope very gradually downward. It's the weight of the clubhead which naturally causes the wrists to want to uncock more than that at the bottom of the swing. So it seems to me a better "minimalist" approach would be to let the left wrist be in it's natural position at the top of the swing, and let it fall naturally into the uncocked position on the downswing--no complex timing needed.
3. She most definitely turns the back shoulder well above the front in the backswing, as is natural. The shoulders pointing ahead of the ball, which I mentioned above, is a postition Kiran criticizes. This is perhaps another "feel" for Kiran, as even she herself doesn't successfully keep the back shoulder lower, in fact raising it a little above at the top of her swing. But even trying to do this puts Kiran in an awkward position where she is unable to let the arm swing freely down into the ball. Kiran's model of a restricted hip turn with almost no shoulder turn makes little sense to me. Hogan had a somewhat restriced hip turn (at least in his later "5 lessons" period), but with a full shoulder turn. Mike Austin required less shoulder turn from the torso because he bent the front knee in and pulled the front hip in allowing a fuller hip turn. It seems to me even a minimalist swing likely requires some degree of one or the other, either hip or shoulder turn, to generate acceptable power.