Originally Posted by dsc123
I wouldn't be so quick to blame Obama. Putin invaded Georgia in 2008 and Bush did nothing. They still have troops in parts of Georgia today.
Probably because he knew he wouldn't get the backing he needed in congress to do anything. That is where I blame Obama in this. He opened his trap and drew a line that he couldn't defend. Now his threats of repercussions are meaningless. He would have been better off to have done nothing than to have drawn the line over Syria.
Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond
Now we go into the off topic area.
Yes, it is.
They haven't negotiated in 5 years.
I would allocate "blame" on both sides. Studies have shown that Pubs have moved far to the right while Dems have stayed relatively put.
The reason the economy doesn't take off is now we are under the Pub version of limited austerity. Don't make a deal and these cuts take place.
I'd like the blaming, demonizing, and blowing up non issues to stop, but it's the current version of "politics." It moves in vicious cycles and the far right is determined to not negotiate.
It is Obama who is continuously saying "I will not negotiate." I just googled "Republicans, I will not negotiate" I found three links on the first three pages where it was Republicans refusing to negotiate. All the rest were Obama and/or Reid. Nevertheless, even if in the end, you don't move your position, you don't start off by saying you won't negotiate if you want the other side to move in your direction. It doesn't work because the other side is going to bull up too.
I agree that congress needs to stop making issues out of non-issues and I believe the Republicans need to stop beating the dead horse of trying to overturn the ACA. But we cannot continue to spend money the way congress is doing now either. If we took every single dime the richest 1% of our country has, we couldn't run this country for 4 months at the rate we are currently spending it. So we cannot tax our way out of the current budget issues. Yes, taxes may have to be raised (on not just the rich but on everybody), subsidies to corporations need to end and loopholes are going to have to be closed, but ultimately social programs is what eats the largest chunk of our budget and cuts are going to have to be made to many of those programs and frankly, they are going to have to be much bigger than the ones being proposed now by either party. At any rate, this is way further off topic and I am done debating it. As long as people continue to think all the problems this country is facing can be laid at the feet of one party, we are going to continue to disagree.
But back to the actual topic.. It is going to take Russia moving well into Ukraine before the rest of the world will decide enough is too much and take any significant action against Putin. Even then, the idea of war is pretty far fetched. With all the financial problems facing not only the US but most of the EU as well, nobody can afford it.