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My Swing (Bechambo)

post #1 of 13
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I've been Playing Golf for: Over 10 years.

My current handicap index or average score is: 78

My typical ball flight is:  mid to low fade.

The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: low fade...

 

The real goal is to hit a mid to high lofted, lower spinning ball. 

The shot I hit on this drive was med/high lofted, with a high rate of spin (3400-4000 rpm, guess based on distance and ball flight)

 


 

Videos:

 

post #2 of 13

Good to see you post this... That was definitely one of the better drives you hit this morning.

 

Hopefully @iacas and/or @mvmac can help you out a bit...

 

Oh, and on a separate note, post more!!! And not just in the SoCal outing thread, there is a lot of good content on here.

post #3 of 13
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Originally Posted by tristanhilton85 View Post
 

Good to see you post this... That was definitely one of the better drives you hit this morning.

 

Hopefully @iacas and/or @mvmac can help you out a bit...

 

Oh, and on a separate note, post more!!! And not just in the SoCal outing thread, there is a lot of good content on here.

Yeah, and you can start getting all those silly badges too!!

 

Nice swing, by the way!!  (But I already knew that, lol)

post #4 of 13

Shoulders need to be a little bit steeper, you are a bit too shallow on the shoulder turn. Its pretty close.

 

Here are some videos to work on the correct turn. 

 

 

 

 

In this image your a bit inside, you get the classic roll the hands over. Also your right knee is way too flexed in this image. You need to get less rolling of the hands and more body turn only at this part. Let your hips rotate sooner. Your hands are getting no depth at this point. I would almost like to see your hands and clubhead switch places in this image. Hands more to the left and clubhead more towards the right. The better shoulder turn angle will help out as well. 

 

 

 

 

 

From this exit point it looks like you got a bit of a flip into the ball with the wrists. See Zach Johnson on the right. How he maintains his incline through impact. His left leg is still flexed, and his right heel is just barely off the ground. Also note how the clubhead stays outside the hands into the finish. While your clubhead is exiting quicker than the hands. You need to get more like Zack on this one. When you maintain that spin tilt, your left hip will rotate around and up. Yours rotates more on a shallow plane, very parallel to the ground. Get more tilt. 

 

 

   

 

 

 

This video will help work on getting you to lead with the handle more instead of with the clubhead. 

post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by Bechambo View Post
 

I've been Playing Golf for: Over 10 years.

My current handicap index or average score is: 78

My typical ball flight is:  mid to low fade.

The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: low fade...

 

The real goal is to hit a mid to high lofted, lower spinning ball. 

The shot I hit on this drive was med/high lofted, with a high rate of spin (3400-4000 rpm, guess based on distance and ball flight)

 

 

Yes @iacas and I agree that it would be very beneficial for your game to start launching it higher with less spin. 

 

Spin rate is high because the angle of attack is too steep, hitting down on it too much. So to start to shallow this attack angle out you need to move the ball position forward. Will be about a ball in front of the left shoulder joint. Going to feel very forward to you. Also turn both feet out. This gives the left knee more room to flex forward longer on the downswing. When the feet are square, the knee pinch inward and restricts the mobility of the knee. It straightens too soon and the club will swing down and to the left.

 

When the knee has more room, you can get more weight forward, get the hips more forward and with the head being steady, will create more "axis tilt" (red line, right pic). The axis tilt is a result of the head being steady and the weight forward, not just tipping your head back ;-) Will really help you shallow the AoA and launch it higher.

 

 

Check out this thread as well

 

 Hitting Up or Down with the Driver in an Inline Pattern 

post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by mvmac View Post
 

 

Yes @iacas and I agree that it would be very beneficial for your game to start launching it higher with less spin. 

 

Spin rate is high because the angle of attack is too steep, hitting down on it too much. So to start to shallow this attack angle out you need to move the ball position forward. Will be about a ball in front of the left shoulder joint. Going to feel very forward to you. Also turn both feet out. This gives the left knee more room to flex forward longer on the downswing. When the feet are square, the knee pinch inward and restricts the mobility of the knee. It straightens too soon and the club will swing down and to the left.

 

When the knee has more room, you can get more weight forward, get the hips more forward and with the head being steady, will create more "axis tilt" (red line, right pic). The axis tilt is a result of the head being steady and the weight forward, not just tipping your head back ;-) Will really help you shallow the AoA and launch it higher.

 

 

I will work on turning both feet out. It feels uncomfortable when I do, as I have learned to shift my weight in my current set up. Another thing I am going to try for the next couple days, is getting my hips to form that diagonal line, demonstrated by one of your youtube videos (stick through the belt loops drill). As for the ball forward, I have tried using that adjustment many of times, and it has only resulted, despite my most earnest of efforts, in pulls (slice, draw and straight). Where the ball currently lies in my driving stance is just inside my left foot, and I think thats as far forward as I'm comfortable to go. After I've messed with these couple adjustments, I'll repost another video, down the line and one facing me.

post #7 of 13
Just remember that any change you make will feel weird or uncomfortable. If it doesn't you probably aren't really changing anything.
post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by Bechambo View Post
 

Another thing I am going to try for the next couple days, is getting my hips to form that diagonal line, demonstrated by one of your youtube videos (stick through the belt loops drill). 

 

The feet being flared will certainly help with this. Gets the left knee to bend more, right to lose some flex, results in the hips turning on a steeper angle.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Bechambo View Post
 

As for the ball forward, I have tried using that adjustment many of times, and it has only resulted, despite my most earnest of efforts, in pulls (slice, draw and straight). 

 

I can see that, reason why it's important to have the feet flares. If the feet are square, makes it tough to create that axis tilt I was talking about. Axis tilt helps the hands and club ascend, get out of the ground faster and swing less left.

post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 

 

So, @tristanhilton85 took some more video of my swing for me. This DTL view points out how I am standing up during my attack causing the ball to cut. I think this is also the reason for a majority of my spin. I'm going to hit the range with my camera tomorrow morning and really figure this out. I integrated the flared feet and it is working similarly as my parallel feet, but perhaps improvement is yet to be seen. It feels to me that I have to relearn my weight shifts, but that shouldn't take too long. 

Here's a better view of the feet flare, but once again I stand up a bit out of the swing. I really need to work on that.

post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by Bechambo View Post
 

This DTL view points out how I am standing up during my attack causing the ball to cut. I think this is also the reason for a majority of my spin.

 

This is why I'm seeing that you have to stand up on the downswing, shaft steepens too much. 

 

 

Shaft steepens because of how shallow the shaft loads on the backswing and then you have to lift the arms independent from the pivot. The shaft gets too shallow on the backswing because the hands work out and away from you rather than moving slightly inward with the pivot. It causes the forearms and face to rotate more.

 

Generally don't want to see the toe "up" at this position.

 

 

So I would do two things

 

- Put a tee in your left arm pit and keep the tee in throughout the backswing. Will help the hands not move away from you on the takeaway and lessen the amount you'll roll the face.

- Gradually flex the left knee more throughout the entire backswing. Will keep those hips turning so they don't slide to the right causing you to lift the arms. Might almost feel like the pivot with the left knee "carries" the arms.

post #11 of 13

@Bechambo, just to clarify, even though I "tore your swing apart" I know the scores you shoot and the quality of shots you can hit. Just wanted to give you my take for the cause and effect of things :-)

 

Your swing is actually very similar to my swing in high school and college. I would swing part parallel with a 7 iron, roll the forearms and lift the arms. Always struggled with getting my spin rate, usually around 3500 or more and launched it low. Now I can struggle with not spinning it enough with the driver lol

post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 

 

Here's my current swing...let me have it.

post #13 of 13

To review what I sent you.

 

- Check the left hand grip, I'd recommend making it stronger and making sure the heel pad is "on top".

 How to Grip a Golf Club, Commonalities of a Functional Golf Grip 

 

- Priority is Key #1, more on the pivot than what's going on with the head. The hips slide back instead of turning on the backswing. First step in fixing this is making sure both knees are turned out at address, "bowed out".

 

 

- When the hips slide, the pivot stalls and this creates a sequencing issue with the arms and torso. A feel I suggested was to keep the right hip turning throughout the backswing and to feel the right cheek or tailbone get closer to the target on the backswing. 

Notice the difference in where the "gap" is with the lines drawn on the hips. The player in the right pic (Daniel Summerhays) has made a centered hip turn, the right hip kept turning and moving around which helps his arms be more in sync with his pivot. Daniel is in a great position to fire his arms down and transfer his weight forward. As I said in the video, the point of all this is to improve your impact alignments. Getting the arms in a position where they can come down faster, with your weight transferring forward will help you achieve Key #3. You'll be able to hit the ball higher, divots will be more shallow and the swing will require less maintenance. 

 

 

Good drill to check out.

 

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