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post #739 of 1211
This year it is full of surprises. I hope this is going to be the biggest surprise we've seen so far.
post #740 of 1211

if algeria can knock out germany - all the better for team USA.

post #741 of 1211
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post #742 of 1211
This would have been a good implementation of the golden goal rule. Now we have 28 minutes of delaying the inevitable.
post #743 of 1211
Golden goal rule is not a good idea it has been tried before and we are past that.
post #744 of 1211
The Germans are just too strong.. They control the ball so much better than the Algerians
post #745 of 1211
:(

I was a good effort!

Those Germans are still running around like the game just started! They are very skilled ball handlers too in my opinion...

Nice job Germany
post #746 of 1211
That was a great match. And a statement against golden goals.
post #747 of 1211
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Originally Posted by yrew View Post

That was a great match. And a statement against golden goals.

Very entertaining.. First match I have watched beg-end with the wife.. She was enthusiastic all the way to the end!

The better team won in my opinion and what I like is how clean and sportsmanlike both teams were! This was soccer at its best for me!
post #748 of 1211
I'd love to see Algeria getting the better of Germany. The quality of the German team is way better than that of Algeria but with a cup match you'll never know how things work out. They gave their absolute best.
post #749 of 1211
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Originally Posted by yrew View Post

 I hope this is going to be the biggest surprise we've seen so far.

 

 

Spoken like a true Dutchman!!!

 

Don't worry, we don't like them either, but you knew they were going to get through, because they always do.

 

I'd give the French a chance against them though. The German back four doesn't look as mobile as they have been in the past and the French do flick that channel ball in behind the fullback well. Unless I'm mistaken Neuer seems to be playing as sweeper too!!! (always a bad sign). I suspect we'll be treated to replays of the Schmacher/ Batsion incident from now until then

 

And did anyone see that dastardly free kick trick of theirs, based on typical prussian deceit and cunning .... urm.... the most devious thing they've attempted since going round the Maginot line!!! stop it ... stop it... let it go

post #750 of 1211

And in other developments the Uruguayan biter has adopted yet another a position on his account. Originally he came out with this explanation. 

 

 "I lost my balance, making my body unstable and falling on top of my opponent."

 

This has to be about the worst excuse since the Captain of the Costa Concordia explained that he accidentally tripped and fell into a lifeboat just as it was being lowered. But with 48 hours to think on it (assuming of course that Suarez is capable of independent thought) he seems to have entered into the spirit of the Arjen Robben's Damascus moment and conceded that perhaps he did bite Chiellini after all

 

"The truth is that my colleague Giorgio Chiellini suffered the physical result of a bite in the collision he suffered with me," .... "I apologise to Giorgio Chiellini and the entire football family. I vow to the public that there will never again be another incident like this."

 

and this is what he said last time he got caught biting people

 

"I hope that all the people who I offended at Anfield will grant me forgiveness and I again repeat my apology to Branislav. I acknowledge that my actions were not acceptable on the football pitch."

 

Now English pundit and former Barcelona player Gary Lineker, has said that he understands that Barcelona told Suarez's agent that they couldn't sign him for such time as he was denying having ever bit Chellini. Strange isn't it. 48 hours ago he was adamant he'd never bit the Italian and was conjuring up all sorts of implausible stories, but as soon as a lucrative transfer deal hinges on it.... well this is football

 

Talking of diving, I'm reminded of a story told by Michael Owen former England centre forward.

 

When racing one on one with a good chance of a goal, Owen was clipped by the defender. Being stoically British of course he didn't go down (that's for South Americans and Mediterranean Europeans to do). He continued fighting for his balance, but with his momentum compromised his half hit shot missed. On jogging back to position and with the chance gone, the refereee came alongside (Pierluigi Collina - then FIFA's top official) and calmly advised Owen that had he "gone down, I'd have given a penalty". Owen protested mildly that since his run had been compromised illegally the referee should have awarded the penalty anyway, and that his attempts to stay on his feet shouldn't have been a factor. Referees give plenty of free kicks for all sorts of innocuous clips and ankle taps outside of the area, there's nothing in the rules that say's you have to go to ground. Collina briefly explained that its "a lot easier to give", and the game continued

 

A few years later England are playing Argentina in a World Cup first round match in 2002. This is always an incendiary match. Despite the fact that the British relieved the Argentines of a murderous military junta in 1982 who were systematically "disappearing" huge numbers of Argentine civilians, they don't like us for doing so. Anyway, with tensions high again, FIFA put their top referee on the case. Step forward the mekon from Italy, Signor Collina

 

Just before half time an action replay of the incident a few years earlier occurs. Michael Owen is bursting clear with a defender alongside. Now Michael knew who the ref was, and remembered what had been said previously. This time he theaterically throws himself to the ground. Ping, goes the whistle. England are awarded a spot kick which full time show pony, clothes horse, and man god, plus occasional footballer, David Beckham actually scores for a change (he started missing later in his career). England win 1-0 and progress, the dirty Argies are eliminated.

 

OK cheating against the biggest cheats in football isn't quite so bad as turning over a decent and honest team, but was Owen right?

 

Later on after he retired Owen retells this story as a rebuke to referees who complain that players are forever looking to con them. It's a case of a referee advising a player to take a dive in order to earn a penalty. I'm not personally happy about the explanation oft cited; "its a part of the game". It's only a part of the game because managers, players, and officials allow it to be. 

 

Robben you have to have some sympathy for in so much as 99% of players would do the same, and one also detects that there had been some leading in to the decision, as other ones went against him. Feigning injuries is normally an Italian thing though, it's a shame when the Dutch resort to it. I suppose we let them off when spitting at German's with dodgy perms, and since they could easily find themselves playing Argentina yet I'll reserve final judgement

post #751 of 1211
I just beat Belgium in FIFA 14 on a Clint Dempsey brace 2-1. Again, not saying video games predict the future...but we are definitely beating Belgium 2-1 on a Clint Dempsey brace. It is known. Lets go USA.
post #752 of 1211

Without hopefully putting the bock on the prediction, I should warn you that it carries the seemingly unstoppable burden of my money at 16/1.

 

I actually think the English bookies have got America about 40% wrong on this, and although they might lack stardust, that needn't be an issue in the context of this match. My own suspicion is that this will come down to a combination of nerve and belief, and America seems to have plenty of the latter, almost to an irrational level. Belief needs to be sincere though, not just empty media talk, but I sense that in their case it is genuine. 

 

The lyric says "land of the brave" well lets see

 

It's been a bit of a feature to date that teams have struggled to defend a lead. I'm of the view increasingly in this world cup that attacking and trying to score an additional goal is one of the more effective tactics for doing so. Germany are certainly grateful this evening that they went in search of a second, and I reckon that had Mexico done the same they'd be waiting for Costa Rica now

 

Based on what I've seen so far, it'll be the Belgians who are playing under expectation and who will go timid first. America has to be positive, and in doing so, they have to be prepared to lose. That also means being a bit unpredictable and coming out at Belgium from the start and taking the match right into their faces. I don't think Belgium will expect this. I think they'll expect to see a negative America, not one buoyed with confidence and coming onto them. Stick them on the back foot and I can easily see Belgium having a very uncomfortable first half shock from which they might not recover

 

First 15-20 mins could be crucial here in determining what sort of a structure the game has. America needs to impose herself early and make a statement. There is a semi final spot waiting for one of the outsiders normally, and this time round I think its the team that dares to geuinely belief. America has a bit of an advantage as all this is still relatively new so they aren't necessarily burdened with decades of under performance and the subconscious influence that dictates they obey some kind of hierarchy. America are the most likely team to try and rip this orthodoxy up and rewrite the new footballing world order. If its going to happen, there has to be a moment which in years to come you can look back on with a sense of 'wasn't that obvious with hindsight etc' Well that moment could be now

post #753 of 1211
I love men in blazers.
post #754 of 1211

All the talk about different ways to break ties, and I realized that I don't want to change anything.  I cannot deny that I loved watching the Brazil-Chile and Costa Rica-Greece endings.

 

It's not tie-breaking penalty kicks that I have a problem with ... it's regular foul-committed-inside-the-box-penalty-kicks that I despise.  They are just too ... for lack of a better word ... penal.  I like penalties to be strong enough to deter the illegal action, but penalty kicks are so severe that they frequently decide an entire game.  It's awful that I guy can commit a marginal foul 15 yards off to the side on a guy that isn't even advancing towards the goal with the ball and it becomes, virtually, an automatic goal.  The human error aspect is also huge; guys getting called for penalties that aren't is as egregious as it gets.

 

I'm trying to think of an equivalent and the closest I can come up with would be if (American) football had a rule that said if you committed a holding penalty anywhere within the 10 yard line, then the opposing team gets a chance to score from the 1 yard line ... and if they do score, they get 20 points.  Or instead of 2 shots and the ball for an intentional foul, they gave 30 shots and the ball.

 

I feel like penalty kicks (for fouls) should be done away with altogether and replaced with:

 

  • A standard free kick.  Perhaps let them choose their own spot (like in billiards) or just put them at the top of the box or something.
  • Leave the rule the same, but make the penalty box considerably smaller, or the kick spot back at 18 yards instead of 12.
  • Punish the fouler with an automatic yellow (if that isn't severe enough, an automatic red), and then just give them an indirect kick on the spot.

 

I feel like one of those (or maybe a combo) has to be penal enough to deter guys from fouling at will ... and it puts the punishment considerably more in line with the crime.

 

That said ... I love soccer and can't wait for tomorrow afternoon!!! :beer:

post #755 of 1211
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Originally Posted by FarawayFairways View Post


Spoken like a true Dutchman!!!

Don't worry, we don't like them either, but you knew they were going to get through, because they always do.

I'd give the French a chance against them though. The German back four doesn't look as mobile as they have been in the past and the French do flick that channel ball in behind the fullback well. Unless I'm mistaken Neuer seems to be playing as sweeper too!!! (always a bad sign). I suspect we'll be treated to replays of the Schmacher/ Batsion incident from now until then

And did anyone see that dastardly free kick trick of theirs, based on typical prussian deceit and cunning .... urm.... the most devious thing they've attempted since going round the Maginot line!!! stop it ... stop it... let it go


Hehehe you got me. Although to be honest for once, just for once, I'd like to meet them in the finals and play a horrific game and win the match with 1-0 scored in the second minute of the additional time. That would be my most wonderful scenario for getting back at the Germans. Football is a game with 22 players on the field and a ball that you have to put into the opposite goal and at the end of the game Germany wins.

That's they saying here and I'd like to see that put to the ground.
post #756 of 1211
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Originally Posted by Golfingdad View Post

All the talk about different ways to break ties, and I realized that I don't want to change anything.  I cannot deny that I loved watching the Brazil-Chile and Costa Rica-Greece endings.

It's not tie-breaking penalty kicks that I have a problem with ... it's regular foul-committed-inside-the-box-penalty-kicks that I despise.  They are just too ... for lack of a better word ... penal.  I like penalties to be strong enough to deter the illegal action, but penalty kicks are so severe that they frequently decide an entire game.  It's awful that I guy can commit a marginal foul 15 yards off to the side on a guy that isn't even advancing towards the goal with the ball and it becomes, virtually, an automatic goal.  The human error aspect is also huge; guys getting called for penalties that aren't is as egregious as it gets.

I'm trying to think of an equivalent and the closest I can come up with would be if (American) football had a rule that said if you committed a holding penalty anywhere within the 10 yard line, then the opposing team gets a chance to score from the 1 yard line ... and if they do score, they get 20 points.  Or instead of 2 shots and the ball for an intentional foul, they gave 30 shots and the ball.

I feel like penalty kicks (for fouls) should be done away with altogether and replaced with:
  • A standard free kick.  Perhaps let them choose their own spot (like in billiards) or just put them at the top of the box or something.
  • Leave the rule the same, but make the penalty box considerably smaller, or the kick spot back at 18 yards instead of 12.
  • Punish the fouler with an automatic yellow (if that isn't severe enough, an automatic red), and then just give them an indirect kick on the spot.

I feel like one of those (or maybe a combo) has to be penal enough to deter guys from fouling at will ... and it puts the punishment considerably more in line with the crime.

That said ... I love soccer and can't wait for tomorrow afternoon!!! c2_beer.gif

Penalties are missed now and again. When the Dutch get a penalty I am never sure if it goes in or not. I think it is some trauma from my younger years.

1996 quarter finals against France, tie breaker and Seedorf misses.

1998 qualification against Turkey. Seedorf again misses and we loose. On a side note Seedorf was only 23 years old at that time but he never got any support from the Dutch fans after missing those penalties. He is one of the greatest players from our country but he never got the recognition.

1998 semi finals against Brazil we missed two in the tie breaker and lost.

2000 semi finals against Italy we missed two during regular time (de boer and kluivert) and missed three in the tie breaker (de boer again, Stam and Bosvelt)

So I for one do not count a penaltykick as a goal until it is in the back of the net.
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