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post #937 of 1211

Oh the predictable banter of a World Cup that involves the Jarmans. I won't tell you what I heard said about the save, albeit I did point out that if the person concerned wanted to look for traces of neo nazism in Europe today, they'd find a hell of a lot more in France than they would Germany

 

On a complete aside, my own uselss club looks like we're in for an interesting winter. A few weeks ago we were subject of a takeover from some convicted Italian fraudster and tax dodger. We knew he was borderline lunatic but things have taken an ominous turn for the worse today. Apparently he's got a phobia about the number 17 which he believes to be cursed. Suffice to say all our seat numbers with the number 17 have been reallocated 16b. I'll be polite and call this eccentric. But today he discovered that our goalkeeper was born on the 17th of May. Result? He's been sacked!!! So we're now on the look out for a new goalkeeper.

 

I take back any insinuation I've ever made about American ownership. For Gods sake, send us one! Come to think of it, Colin Montgomerie can you finally buy us?

 

Well at the very least, I think we're going to have an entertaining season but you hardly need to be a genius to see that this is going end on the rocks

post #938 of 1211
I sympathise with you about Leeds, it's a shambles. But it's been a shambles for a while. My own club (Sunderland) has an American owner, Ellis Short. He's made a number of mistakes but as owners go, we could do a lot worse.

I disagree with you about the international scene, though. In my view, the primacy of club football is entirely appropriate. I don't really give a shit about the England team, I'm with Dr Johnson and Mark Twain where patriotism is concerned. Football is about your home-town team.
post #939 of 1211
No this game ahould be good by all standards.. I want to see Columbia win 4-3 and win it in the last 5 minutes of regulation..
post #940 of 1211
Holy hell stadium is loud for Brazil's national anthem. I'm getting goose bumps.
post #941 of 1211
I think I was being delusional that Columbia can win this
post #942 of 1211
Brazil is playing much better than in the previous games. Columbia is in trouble.
post #943 of 1211
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Originally Posted by chasm View Post

I sympathise with you about Leeds, it's a shambles. But it's been a shambles for a while. My own club (Sunderland) has an American owner, Ellis Short. He's made a number of mistakes but as owners go, we could do a lot worse.

I disagree with you about the international scene, though. In my view, the primacy of club football is entirely appropriate. I don't really give a shit about the England team, I'm with Dr Johnson and Mark Twain where patriotism is concerned. Football is about your home-town team.

 

 

The observation about the primacy was mainly written in the context of how the American game might evolve. I'm guessing of course, but I suspect with much less history to their domestic game, plus rivalries which have a more manufactured identity (not quite the same as yours with Newcastle) that the American focus will more likely fall on the national interest. I suspect they'll want to prove to the rest of the world that they've arrived, before Washington would want to beat New York? It's my belief though that it becomes incredibly difficult (though not impossible) to win a world cup with an all dominant domestic league working against you. Having said that, if you offered me the choice now between winning the top league and winning a world cup, I'd take riding the world cup wave today (wouldn't always have done).

 

The only time I can think where a team has been able to defy the tensions of their domestic league has probably been Spain in 2010, who finally overcame the perennial problem of bringing a united team of Catalonians and Basques into a Castillion establishment, and possibly Italy in 1982 when Series A was more powerful than it is today

 

I suppose I might recommend Leeds if any Americans want a soap opera to follow this winter and adopt a comedy show masquerading as a football team. Once upon a time, Leeds were good (honest they were!) but today they've descended into a comical farce. Only adopt Leeds if you have a gallows humour. Don't do so if you want to follow success or desire some reflected glory through association. You won't get it with Leeds. Any team who refuses to play their goalkeeper because of the date on the month he was born on, is destined to give you nothing more than an hysterical time this winter. There reaches a point following Leeds where you frankly give up in the belief that surely nothing else can go wrong and get worse? Well usually it can, and it does with Leeds. If you want to win something though, follow the likes of Manchester United or Chelsea, but do so in the knowledge that you're actually an out of state Yankees fan. That's easy. Anyone can do that

post #944 of 1211

My favorite quote from the commentator of the Brazil-Columbia game went something like, "Do you think he (head ref) forgot to bring the yellow cards with him?"

post #945 of 1211
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Originally Posted by boogielicious View Post
 

My favorite quote from the commentator of the Brazil-Columbia game went something like, "Do you think he (head ref) forgot to bring the yellow cards with him?"


Quite. Fernandinho (I think it was him) was a bit of a disgrace. Kicking Rodriguez into next week all game without a card and the first tackle Rodriguez attempts (Hulk hurdled it) and a yellow card is given  and from the resulting free kick, Luiz scores.

As one of our pundits said, "Brazil are winning but losing a lot of fans in doing so".

post #946 of 1211

I think there's a tendancy for officials to referee according to expectation, and Brazil have a lot of currency in the bank stemming from 1970. I suppose it goes back a bit further to the late 50's when they first emerged, but 1970 is widely regarded as the coronation and the best team ever to win a world cup. Personally I think the worst team could well have been the brazilians of 2002 as well who never played anyone of any consequence until final (including the muppets they met in the QF's)

 

There is a kind of crude demarcation in South America that runs like this

 

Brazil = beautiful team of footballers

Argentina = Nasty team of thugs

 

Every now and then however this role reverses and Argentina produce a football team and Brazil produce the nasty cynical team. Just for the record, Argentina have had more yellow cards awarded against them in world cup history than anyone else, but it will surprise people to learn the identity of the team with the most reds..... Brazil

 

I also think Scolari teams have a nasty darker side to them and have never embraced the football traditions of Brazil. His team of 2002 were the worst winners in my memory as I've already suggested, and his cynical Portuguese team with Ronaldo 'the winker' were similar. Then he had the free flowing Chelsea - ha! and now he's back with Brazil again. I can think of a few teams over the years who were pretty unpleasent on the eye. The Brazilian teams of mid to late 70's were nasty bunch, and one particular game at Wembley stands out from 1976 I think it was (1-1 draw with Peter Barnes running them ragged).

 

By 1982 though they'd returned to their traditions and produced a team that many regard as the best never to win a world cup (personally I think the '54 Hungarians, '74 Dutch, and from the same tournament the '82 French and later '86 French would have claims). I've got it into my head they had another hiatus in '86 when they disgraced themselves in Mexico? They were a modest team in 1990, but worthy winners in '94 and continued a rich vein of form into the following decade without really returning to the samba football

 

To my observation though, this team look pretty ordinary and are combining histroci reputation with home advantage. It'll be interesting to see how the unintimidatable Jarmans go against them, for unless I'm mistaken the Brazilian defence looks particularly vulnerable to a more direct route one approach which the physically stronger, and ever analytical Germans will have picked up on. The Germans are stronger and will win the 50/50, but unlike a lot of German teams from the past, this one passes the ball with a bit more imagination and speed. The question mark they have is the lack of pace in the back four but with Lahm returning to full back against the French i do wonder if their engineers might have found a solution

 

Now come on Belgium knock the Argies out

post #947 of 1211
One thing for sure u want to see the Belgians win.. However, only of they promise they can take care of the Dutch.. Otherwise I have to go with the argies..

Tough call for me, although who ever I root for has lost in this cup, so go argies and go Dutch!
post #948 of 1211
Spoke too late.. Argentina 1 in the 8th minute
post #949 of 1211
Argentina still up 1/0.

I lived in Buenos Aires for 3 years as a child, so I have a soft spot for them.....be nice to see them take out the knuckleheads that beat the U.S.
post #950 of 1211

If I were American, I'd be left wondering how the hell I lost to Belgium? 

post #951 of 1211
Yah who wants to lose to the team that loses to the team that loses to the team who wins the World Cup? Argentina sure made Belgium look beatable, while still managing to look beatable themselves.
post #952 of 1211
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Originally Posted by David in FL View Post

Argentina still up 1/0.

I lived in Buenos Aires for 3 years as a child, so I have a soft spot for them.....be nice to see them take out the knuckleheads that beat the U.S.

I never understood this logic.  I wanted Belgium to win the whole enchilada (but alas, no such luck).  Had Belgium won the World Cup, then I can say U.S. lost to the best, so there is no shame.  But losing to a mediocre team just makes the USA team look worse.

post #953 of 1211
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Originally Posted by Yukari View Post

I never understood this logic.  I wanted Belgium to win the whole enchilada (but alas, no such luck).  Had Belgium won the World Cup, then I can say U.S. lost to the best, so there is no shame.  But losing to a mediocre team just makes the USA team look worse.

Simple revenge..... a1_smile.gif

...and the U.S. was never more than mediocre anyway.
post #954 of 1211
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Originally Posted by Yukari View Post

I never understood this logic.  I wanted Belgium to win the whole enchilada (but alas, no such luck).  Had Belgium won the World Cup, then I can say U.S. lost to the best, so there is no shame.  But losing to a mediocre team just makes the USA team look worse.
OTOH a mediocre team does not advance this far. a1_smile.gif
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