Originally Posted by UGolfStats
Regarding the GPS, there are a couple issues around this. First is the speed, when tracking GPS it takes a few moments (if not minutes) for the phone to accurately locate your position (unless the phone is left on all the time), which forces the player to stand still at an exact location for a bit, this has several undesired effects, for example, the rest of the group starts moving while the player waits, it also forces you to enter the data at an exact particular time, can't be postponed, so forget about chit-chatting :-). Very anti-social :-)
The 2nd issue with GPS is that most of the times the distances it produces are not very useful in creating a realistic picture of a player's capabilities. Maybe longest drive distance is fun, but average for a 7 iron for example? What does that mean? wind, no wind, hot, cold, what about the times you used your 7 as a bump and run? How about the times it was mishit? The point is that we think every golfer should know how far they hit each club with a full shot, however at any given moment the shot will always be different. Going uphill? downhill? danger in front? danger in back? That's why we don't care much for GPS distances :-) (I may be totally wrong, hope I'm not offending anyone :-) )
Originally Posted by dsc123
Some of those are unavoidable, but you're already tracking data that can fix others. So if I chunk a 7 iron i'm marking it as a chunk it your app--that could then be excluded from the stats displayed on the webiste. You could do the same with bump and run, kind of like how you have the chip/pitch. Uphill, downhill, wind, and taking a little off are tougher to account. So you may be right that its not worth it.
When I first started using golf tracking apps, I was definitely excited about the yardage tracking portions of them. Over time, less and less so. You guys captured it perfectly. I don't even track anything other than drives now, and even that is suspect for the reasons you list. But still I like to get the drive data. I'd be disappointed if I couldn't collect it, frankly- despite all of those limitations. Even if you give us the option to hand-enter an estimated yardage without GPS. I can usually tell within 10 or 20 yards, and that's good enough for me. When you see my stats rounded off to the nearest 10, most likely I missed my GPS point and it was a guess. But it's good enough to tell me what I want to know.
The key distances we need to track are putts. In "feet," not yards.
I'll also echo Dan's idea on data entry. The easier that apps try to make it, the clumsier it can be. Ironic, but true. Give me a big sheet of data entry any time. I think if we had the ability to edit a large grid of our data AFTER the round, that would be perfect. We can try to get what we can on the course, but let us play and not be data nerds while playing. Within a day or two, we can usually recall each shot and enter the data in one shot through a simple grid that shows us all the info at once on something like an enhanced scorecard. For each hole, just give us the ability to add/delete/edit shots that we may or may not have entered while on the course.
One cool thing that I've seen hints of on other apps, but nothing done very well, is the ability to compare our data against the 'field." For example:
For my course, what are the average scores? Hardest holes? Toughest greens to 2-putt?
For others near our handicap worldwide, what is the average FIR? GIR? How far do they drive?
For me to get 2 strokes better on my handicap, what should my recovery percentage be? How much do I need to improve on my 6 footers to be at that level?
For my courses, are there others who might be opting into to social meetups or leagues/tournaments? I haven't seen the social aspect explored too much, although there is a vendor here who is pursuing that. Foursum, I believe.