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post #19 of 29
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The key distances we need to track are putts. In "feet," not yards. 

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You are absolutely right, this was a bug and it has been fixed, whenever you have a putter in your hands it now tracks "feet".

 

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I'll also echo Dan's idea on data entry. The easier that apps try to make it, the clumsier it can be. Ironic, but true. Give me a big sheet of data entry any time. I think if we had the ability to edit a large grid of our data AFTER the round, that would be perfect. We can try to get what we can on the course, but let us play and not be data nerds while playing. Within a day or two, we can usually recall each shot and enter the data in one shot through a simple grid that shows us all the info at once on something like an enhanced scorecard. For each hole, just give us the ability to add/delete/edit shots that we may or may not have entered while on the course.

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We'll keep playing with the app data entry to try and make it better. We will also have a "printable enhanced" scorecard that will allow you to do everything "offline". I'll post a sample of that card when available.

 

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One cool thing that I've seen hints of on other apps, but nothing done very well, is the ability to compare our data against the 'field."  For example:

 

For my course, what are the average scores? Hardest holes? Toughest greens to 2-putt?

 

For others near our handicap worldwide, what is the average FIR? GIR? How far do they drive? 

 

For me to get 2 strokes better on my handicap, what should my recovery percentage be? How much do I need to improve on my 6 footers to be at that level?

 

For my courses, are there others who might be opting into to social meetups or leagues/tournaments?  I haven't seen the social aspect explored too much, although there is a vendor here who is pursuing that.  Foursum, I believe. 

 

 

I won't pretend that our app will do everything. There are some things that we'll do in terms of "comparing" the field, we need to have enough data to make it meaningful, we're not there yet. We also do have plans for a "social" aspect of the product, you can see hints of this in the prominent "Leaderboards" section (which is not opened yet) and the ability to add public/private notes, etc.

 

Feel free to send over any suggestions you guys think would be cool to add.

 

Thanks again,

 

Daniel

post #20 of 29

just signed up, lefty here and you have my home course info which is good...will report back after I play a round.  Ive been actually looking into sites that do this (preferably free) and asked around for different recommendations.  I use a rangefinder and have been up to this point a leisure player but I want to start going out weekly/practicing daily and keeping track of my improvement.  so up to now this week ive downloaded golflogix,tour caddie and the grint (the grint being for handicap tracking)

 

I do agree with that you can't be all things to all people and I for one prefer not to have to deal with a gps as i already have the rangefinder and the whole other argument of consumer gps +/- variance we won't get into here...but a solid site for shot tracking a long with I guess whichever site I stay with for handicap tracking plus my range finder I should be set on the three different fronts.

post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by UGolfStats View Post
We'll keep playing with the app data entry to try and make it better. We will also have a "printable enhanced" scorecard that will allow you to do everything "offline". I'll post a sample of that card when available.

 

if you're going to make an offline sheet available, please have an easy to use upload format/capability. I know I'd rather right down my info as I play and enter it later, and a good template would certainly help with this...THANK YOU!

post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by RandallT View Post

 

I'll also echo Dan's idea on data entry. The easier that apps try to make it, the clumsier it can be. Ironic, but true. Give me a big sheet of data entry any time. I think if we had the ability to edit a large grid of our data AFTER the round, that would be perfect. We can try to get what we can on the course, but let us play and not be data nerds while playing. Within a day or two, we can usually recall each shot and enter the data in one shot through a simple grid that shows us all the info at once on something like an enhanced scorecard. For each hole, just give us the ability to add/delete/edit shots that we may or may not have entered while on the course.

 

I definitely agree with wanting the ability to edit each shot after the round, and that there should be at least an option to have it presented as a big grid, one column per shot, maybe a blank column between holes, or alternating white background light gray background or something, one row per piece of info collected.

 

I disagree with emphasizing that as a primary data entry method.  Sure, on the app it would be nice for guys like you to allow you to press a button to skip entering rest of hole or whatever and still save an incomplete round at the end to complete later.  But my memory for shot by shot recall of an entire round is very poor, and I'm never going to be able to keep these stats unless the app is made slick enough, and fast enough to use, to allow entry of each shot on the walk to the next hole, or maybe enter the tee shot while walking to it, approach while walking to it, greenside stuff whilel walking to next tee.

 

One easy thing that seems like a pretty big deal.  You guys seem not to have collected comprehensive course data and are relying on user entry.  Seems a fine tradeoff for a (currently) free app and the free guarantee for those of us who contribute to building up the database and whatnot.

 

But... Let users edit already entered courses!  It's a huge pain in the ass to have a course show up but with incorrect info.  I only saw the ability to add a new tee, so completely re-enter info and give it an alternate name ("Blue - Correct" or whatever).

 

Also, I'm not sure why you don't require slope/rating.   With all the deep stats you guys are going to keep, it'd be easy to track handicap as well.  I have an official one, but it's nice to have all stat info at one place, and have up to the minute handicap info.  That would also allow a simple future feature for the app of calculating course handicap for you given your site calculated (not given, thus guaranteed to be current) handicap and the course info.

post #23 of 29

Just signed up will give it a whirl once the snow goes away.  :-(

post #24 of 29
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One easy thing that seems like a pretty big deal.  You guys seem not to have collected comprehensive course data and are relying on user entry.  Seems a fine tradeoff for a (currently) free app and the free guarantee for those of us who contribute to building up the database and whatnot.

 

But... Let users edit already entered courses!  It's a huge pain in the ass to have a course show up but with incorrect info.  I only saw the ability to add a new tee, so completely re-enter info and give it an alternate name ("Blue - Correct" or whatever).

 

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Honestly we have purchased the largest databases we could find and currently have over 30,000 courses. Not a short list. It is possible some data is missing and we will do our best to correct it. Your idea to allow for course editing is good, we'll add that option. Thanks.

 

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Also, I'm not sure why you don't require slope/rating.   With all the deep stats you guys are going to keep, it'd be easy to track handicap as well.  I have an official one, but it's nice to have all stat info at one place, and have up to the minute handicap info.  That would also allow a simple future feature for the app of calculating course handicap for you given your site calculated (not given, thus guaranteed to be current) handicap and the course info.

 

 

The original idea was exactly that, to have slope and rating for all tees and to be able to automatically calculate handicaps, the problem is that we do not have that information for many courses, that's why we opted for the manual entry. We'll check out the option to have it both ways. Thanks again.

post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by UGolfStats View Post
 

The original idea was exactly that, to have slope and rating for all tees and to be able to automatically calculate handicaps, the problem is that we do not have that information for many courses, that's why we opted for the manual entry. We'll check out the option to have it both ways. Thanks again.

 

https://ncrdb.usga.org/NCRDB/

post #26 of 29
I just signed up and I am playing around with it now adding my favorite courses. I like to keep all my stats on a separate scorecard but who knows I may love this way.
post #27 of 29

I'll surely check this out.  I'm big stats guy when it comes to golf - Love stuff like this and was going to build a system for my own stats, fairways, greens, putts (distance included), misses (left, right, long, short) - It really shouldn't be hard, it's a matter of entering course data and setting the format....  but you might have done all that for me

 

...  Just got back from Myrtle and built a database for our group that will keep points totals, group averages on holes and courses, individual & group averages for par 3's, 4's, 5's etc.  It's got player profiles for all players that will have their daily points totals, scoring averages, money earned* (monopoly money of course).  Want to know what hole played the hardest on our trip?  Got it covered (14 at Heritage was beast! the group averaged a 6.4 on the par 4!).  Below is a screenshot (names changed of course) of the player profile page that will populate the data automatically.  If you were to scroll right it has it broken down by points & has the daily averages and flightings.  You can also scroll down and see the group averages at the bottom of the page.  It makes it easy to flight players based on actual scores during the trip, helps calculate the Callaway system automatically, tallies points based on 1-bogey, 2 par etc...  All I do is put in the player names, who's paid their monopoly money, and what everyone shoots off their scorecard and the data is there.  It's really only limited to what data is provided.    - And yes 12-14 kicked my a$$ at heritage (triple, double, triple - 87) lol   -it doesn't however have any data for the 19th hole, that's confidential lol

 

post #28 of 29

Hi, apologies for slight resuscitation of an old thread, but I've signed up for this 'app' recently and love the in depth statistics.

Do you have an update on the printable scorecard to take around since I don't have a phone signal at my local course. Also is there any timeline updates on a likely delivery of the actual android/iphone app rather than website link. 

Gathering statistics for my round has become a bit of a bugbear for me, the apps are either too expensive and/or don't hold much information. Seems to be a proliferation of various apps that do 60% of what I am after and not one that does 100%. This is much nearer my final idea but in very firm beta stage at the moment.

post #29 of 29
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Thanks for checking in. The printed scorecard so that you can enter the stats offline should be available within 1 or 2 weeks, I'll post a note on this thread when it is ready. The actual apps will take a little longer, apparently more people than initially anticipated are interested in "offline" tracking, so we are spending a bit more time on that.

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