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post #19 of 28

http://time.com/38816/dads-rant-about-common-core-math-problem-goes-viral/

Pretty funny. Is that you, GD? :beer:

post #20 of 28
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http://time.com/38816/dads-rant-about-common-core-math-problem-goes-viral/

Pretty funny. Is that you, GD? :beer:

LOL, no ... but that guys rant (which was also referenced in the Yahoo link I posted) is part of what caused me to start this thread.  I'm actually still leaning towards the assumption that smart people came up with Common Core, and they did it for a reason, and I am going to withhold my judgment of it until I fully understand it.

 

The idea of this thread was to try and help me understand it more. :)

 

I also just learned yesterday from a co-worker who has grade school aged kids and a grade school teacher wife that it's not really been implemented in California just yet.  Probably next year.

 

Oh, and my brother is a high school math teacher, also in California. :doh:   Hey @SCfanatic35 , are you guys using CC yet?  What say you?

post #21 of 28
Yes, we started implementing the CCSS this year in grades K-9. Next year we will be adding 10th grade curriculum as well, the year after that the 11th grade. In California testing starts next year, but they are giving the test this year as a field test and to start norming the results for next year. The idea behind common core at least for us in high school is to teach more relevant topics and teach it in a way so that kids need to think and apply what they have learned. As opposed to the old way which was memorizing concepts and learning test taking strategies to get test scores up.

One big issue we are facing is having no curriculum. Most textbook companies aren't going to put their effort into making a textbook until they can see what types of questions kids will be tested on. The good material won't be out until 2016 or later.

I do like the idea behind common core because it forces kids to think, kind of like when we were in school. Kids who are caught in the middle right now are struggling as well as teachers who have been told how to teach for so long and now have to teach differently. It's hard to judge how good CC is right now. Probably be a change in about 10 years anyways, that's what goes on in education. They didn't even allow the last standards to go all the way through before getting rid of it. Totally rambling on now.
post #22 of 28
One of the big ideas behind the creation of CC is that students are hitting the workforce unprepared. So businesses had a say in these standards. They also looked at other countries that were successful with their educational systems and stole some of their ideas.
post #23 of 28
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Yes, we started implementing the CCSS this year in grades K-9. Next year we will be adding 10th grade curriculum as well, the year after that the 11th grade. In California testing starts next year, but they are giving the test this year as a field test and to start norming the results for next year. The idea behind common core at least for us in high school is to teach more relevant topics and teach it in a way so that kids need to think and apply what they have learned. As opposed to the old way which was memorizing concepts and learning test taking strategies to get test scores up.

One big issue we are facing is having no curriculum. Most textbook companies aren't going to put their effort into making a textbook until they can see what types of questions kids will be tested on. The good material won't be out until 2016 or later.

I do like the idea behind common core because it forces kids to think, kind of like when we were in school. Kids who are caught in the middle right now are struggling as well as teachers who have been told how to teach for so long and now have to teach differently. It's hard to judge how good CC is right now. Probably be a change in about 10 years anyways, that's what goes on in education. They didn't even allow the last standards to go all the way through before getting rid of it. Totally rambling on now.

Not rambling at all ... and possibly the most informed post here yet.  Thanks!

 

It sounds like it's possible that CC could turn out quite well - if they allow it to.  Albeit with a lot of growing pains (the teachers having to re-learn and the textbook lag, etc)

post #24 of 28
Two points -

1)As was mentioned earlier, the number one thing that separates my better students from the mediocre ones is their reading ability. The bright students who can read and read at a high level can almost teach themselves.

2)We don't push our kids nearly hard enough. The US has become soft. Our kids are not willing to work hard. Many aren't even willing to read directions, they want you to read them for them. IMHO I think we need to stop spending so much of elementary school gluing macaroni to construction paper and start hammering them with ELA, reading, more ELA and then more reading. Of course, not all kids are like this, but at this point I'd say most are.
post #25 of 28
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Two points -

1)As was mentioned earlier, the number one thing that separates my better students from the mediocre ones is their reading ability. The bright students who can read and read at a high level can almost teach themselves.

2)We don't push our kids nearly hard enough. The US has become soft. Our kids are not willing to work hard. Many aren't even willing to read directions, they want you to read them for them. IMHO I think we need to stop spending so much of elementary school gluing macaroni to construction paper and start hammering them with ELA, reading, more ELA and then more reading. Of course, not all kids are like this, but at this point I'd say most are.

What's ELA mean?

 

And it seems like there is a consensus that reading comprehension is the most important factor, and it makes perfect sense.

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What's ELA mean?

And it seems like there is a consensus that reading comprehension is the most important factor, and it makes perfect sense.

English Language Arts.
post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by colin007 View Post

Two points -

1)As was mentioned earlier, the number one thing that separates my better students from the mediocre ones is their reading ability. The bright students who can read and read at a high level can almost teach themselves.

2)We don't push our kids nearly hard enough. The US has become soft. Our kids are not willing to work hard. Many aren't even willing to read directions, they want you to read them for them. IMHO I think we need to stop spending so much of elementary school gluing macaroni to construction paper and start hammering them with ELA, reading, more ELA and then more reading. Of course, not all kids are like this, but at this point I'd say most are.

 

I agree 100%. Primarily kids need to read more. Its the only way to truly grasp a language. Honestly they can teach all they want about constructing sentences, I think out right just reading is much more important and not enforced enough.

post #28 of 28
An article I came across today: http://www.vox.com/2014/4/11/5601016/how-is-common-core-testing-going-so-far

I'd say the headline is very misleading for an article that's a bit less inflammatory, but it's a pretty good read. That site has a lot of stuff on Common Core that they link to in that article.
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