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post #55 of 72
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Originally Posted by Lihu View Post
 

Would you and @mvmac recommend I should start swinging as fast as I can on the range? At the moment, I feel like there is an extra 30%-40%** in reserve on my swings, so would you two recommend that I start "going for it" on the range and back off to 80% of that on the course?

 

@Lihu, I love ya man, but not every thread has to turn into people giving you advice about your own swing. C'mon… :-$

 

BTW, swinging a fan is generally a great way to train yourself to swing slowly. Heavier and lighter clubs should only be about 11-14% different, from the things I've read.

post #56 of 72
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Yeah, ultimately this thread was about fitness and exercise, not technique

post #57 of 72
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Originally Posted by CoachinPA View Post
 

Yeah, ultimately this thread was about fitness and exercise, not technique

 

For the older guys, golf is a good activity. ;-)

 

What is your plan to gain an extra 5mph? Presumably, you are already swinging as fast as you already can?

post #58 of 72
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Originally Posted by Lihu View Post
 

 

For the older guys, golf is a good activity. ;-)

 

What is your plan to gain an extra 5mph? Presumably, you are already swinging as fast as you already can?


That's the point of the thread.  Plans? ideas? etc etc...   I'm going to try some of the overspeed work posted earlier along with maybe some medicine ball twists.  i'll document results once my Radar gets in from Amazon.:mad:

post #59 of 72
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Even if we are talking driver only, the longer hitter has the option to hit a 3 wood or hybrid just as far as a short hitter hits a driver.  This has to be an advantage.  Even if they have similar shot cones.  The long hitter has the option to use the shorter club (and hit just as far), but can also pull the driver on a more open hole and have a big advantage.

Yea, you know what? You're right, it is advantageous. I'm just saying it's not a panacea, that's all.

 

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That's the point of the thread.  Plans? ideas? etc etc...   I'm going to try some of the overspeed work posted earlier along with maybe some medicine ball twists.  i'll document results once my Radar gets in from Amazon.:mad:

Sorry for jacking your thread. As I understand it, speed comes from (besides technique) fast twitch muscles. The best way to train them is to do exercises quickly and explosively. I'm thinking plyometrics, since a lot of those exercises are designed to train the legs and core. Resistance bands are also good and you can use them in conjunction with more golf related motions. Also, if you want to train fast twitch muscles, do sprints instead of jogging.

 

As for golf-specific exercises, I like the light driver idea. Actually, I'd take it one step further and just swing a shaft with no head. You can also check out the golf speed chain, but I don't know much about the product, I've only heard that it works.

post #60 of 72
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Originally Posted by 14ledo81 View Post

 

Even if we are talking driver only, the longer hitter has the option to hit a 3 wood or hybrid just as far as a short hitter hits a driver.  This has to be an advantage.  Even if they have similar shot cones.  The long hitter has the option to use the shorter club (and hit just as far), but can also pull the driver on a more open hole and have a big advantage.
Yea, you know what? You're right, it is advantageous. I'm just saying it's not a panacea, that's all.
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That's the point of the thread.  Plans? ideas? etc etc...   I'm going to try some of the overspeed work posted earlier along with maybe some medicine ball twists.  i'll document results once my Radar gets in from Amazon.c4_mad.gif
Sorry for jacking your thread. As I understand it, speed comes from (besides technique) fast twitch muscles. The best way to train them is to do exercises quickly and explosively. I'm thinking plyometrics, since a lot of those exercises are designed to train the legs and core. Resistance bands are also good and you can use them in conjunction with more golf related motions. Also, if you want to train fast twitch muscles, do sprints instead of jogging.

As for golf-specific exercises, I like the light driver idea. Actually, I'd take it one step further and just swing a shaft with no head. You can also check out the golf speed chain, but I don't know much about the product, I've only heard that it works.

I agree with the fast twitch exercises. I read a baseball study once that players actually swung slower after swinging bats with the weighted donut.
post #61 of 72
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Got my Radar!.

 

Took some practice swings... right around 108Mph.  did get it to 113 when i went as hard as I could, but I felt unbalanced.

 

Anywho I started swinging with the headless club and tried putting some screws on it for just a little more weight.   Was getting that into the 140's

 

 

So guess what i did then!  i started doing one arm swings and lost my spatial relationship to the radar.

 

BOOM goes the plastic!

 

LoL i shattered a hole about the size of a golf ball right into the radar and sent it flying.

 

Ironically it still works!

post #62 of 72
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Originally Posted by CoachinPA View Post
 

Got my Radar!.

 

Took some practice swings... right around 108Mph.  did get it to 113 when i went as hard as I could, but I felt unbalanced.

 

Anywho I started swinging with the headless club and tried putting some screws on it for just a little more weight.   Was getting that into the 140's

 

 

So guess what i did then!  i started doing one arm swings and lost my spatial relationship to the radar.

 

BOOM goes the plastic!

 

LoL i shattered a hole about the size of a golf ball right into the radar and sent it flying.

 

Ironically it still works!

 

 

Is it covered by some kind of shot warranty?

 

Let us know how much it costs to fix, thank you.

post #63 of 72
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It still works, it's a cosmetic problem at this point. So i guess its constructed well as it survived a 140 MPH blow to the casing.
post #64 of 72
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post

I disagree.

But who knows what anyone's context is. My kid? I encourage her to swing hard. Power is an advantage, and I don't want her swinging at it like a wimp. Power can always be reigned in and controlled a bit later. It's tough to add power later.
I saw mcilroy quote this somewhere, I can't find a source but it might of just been the April 2014 today's golfer which he guest edited.
post #65 of 72
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I agree with the fast twitch exercises. I read a baseball study once that players actually swung slower after swinging bats with the weighted donut.

 

Titleist Performance Institute did studies years ago showing the same thing for golf.  People using that technique gained more club head speed than those swinging a heavier club.  They had people swing a driver upside down (hold on the to head and swing it) so you don't even need to buy anything to practice that way.

post #66 of 72
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Originally Posted by TD22057 View Post
 

 

Titleist Performance Institute did studies years ago showing the same thing for golf.  People using that technique gained more club head speed than those swinging a heavier club.  They had people swing a driver upside down (hold on the to head and swing it) so you don't even need to buy anything to practice that way.


I believe in that also. The best way to learn how to swing fast is to swing fast. :-D 

 

Even though I was involved with baseball for a long time it was the pitching coaches in girls fast pitch softball opened my eyes to the benefits of throwing as hard as you can and worrying about control later.

 

Along the same lines one of the best ways to increase running speed is downhill running. It trains your body to go fast and makes that become the new natural.

post #67 of 72
So, I had a range session where my intention was to swing slowly, which I can now do.

However, I decided put all this "swing fast" stuff to the test. I "opened up the throttle" in my muscles and tried to swing as fast as I possible could. I managed to hit two or three balls pure this way, and to be honest, it was not all at much harder to do than my normal swing. The ball went pretty fast. It was out there as soon a I looked up during the follow through. Faster than I ever saw it go that far. I did hit a few hooks at first, but then decided to keep pace with the club.

So, while I am convinced that you should try to go "all out", I think that you need to learn to swing to a certain level of proficiency before attempting it.

However, if I did this experiment 4 months ago, I would have certainly injured myself doing it. Needed proper instruction before attempting it.

In any case, this felt so good, I'm going to add it to my range practice from now on. I went all out, it felt 50% faster, but who really know. It might have been only 10% faster. The swish sound was louder, I only took DTL videos today and will take face next couple sessions.

Did I mentioned that it felt great doing this?
post #68 of 72
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Originally Posted by 14ledo81 View Post


I agree with the fast twitch exercises. I read a baseball study once that players actually swung slower after swinging bats with the weighted donut.

 

 

Yea there was an article done on if swinging a weighted bat would mess up a swing. For many baseball players it does for the first few pitches. It just throws off the timing. 

 

As for fast twitch muscle. Most of our muscles are genetically predisposed towards a maximum fast twitch versus slow twitch muscle fiber ratio. This is why certain ethnic groups excel in sprint races, and others excel in long distance. Its just how the genetic make up works out. Also each muscle group themselves has a range as well. I doubt it would be anything significant. I believe TPI had Sadlowski on once. He showed some exercises he does. One is a Russian Twist abdominal. He takes a 45 lb dumbbell and goes fast, really working those oblique muscles. I'd recommend watching some TPI stuff, there might be some youtube stuff as well as for exercising for distance. Overall I think most amateurs can gain distance just by getting in better shape. I don't see many golfers out there with flat stomachs. ;-)

 

 

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I believe in that also. The best way to learn how to swing fast is to swing fast. :-D 

 

Even though I was involved with baseball for a long time it was the pitching coaches in girls fast pitch softball opened my eyes to the benefits of throwing as hard as you can and worrying about control later.

 

Along the same lines one of the best ways to increase running speed is downhill running. It trains your body to go fast and makes that become the new natural.

 

I'd agree with that. I have no issues with my years of overswinging and swinging hard. It has benefited me greatly because my muscles don't restrict my turn in the golf swing, and I can hit the ball a long way. I rather let a kid develop speed and then teach them control, then to never have them develop swing speed at all. 

post #69 of 72

105 mph isnt bad, but I would try to improve hip flexibility. Do some searches on hip and shoulder flexibility exercises.

post #70 of 72
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Originally Posted by DrewsGolfTips View Post
 

105 mph isnt bad, but I would try to improve hip flexibility. Do some searches on hip and shoulder flexibility exercises.

 

Or you can just flare your rear foot out ;-)

post #71 of 72
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Originally Posted by mvmac View Post
 

 

Or you can just flare your rear foot out ;-)


I just told my son what you mentioned in a PM to me this morning, and he said "Oh, yeah. . ."

post #72 of 72

In the video the Longdrive guy had two "clubs" for his overspeed training. An alignment stick with some kind of grip on it and weight at the tip, this was used for two hand overspeed work. Then he had a normal driver shaft with no head attached and he only used it for one arm work. Was there a reason for not sticking som weight at the tip of a regular driver shaft for the two hand work as well?

 

Tried some overspeed work at the range yesterday with an old drivershaft where I removed the head and it really got me thinking. Swinging it fast required a lot more looseness and relaxation than I´m used to. Now I realised my regular swing is way to stiff to be efficient. In my efforts to swing faster I´ve been trying to muscle the club instead of slingshoting it.

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