Originally Posted by Crim
Thanks ya'll, it's gotten much better. Among all the drills I've done to fix the problem...one of the best things I did happened out of nowhere. I was watching Tiger's and Jack's swings from the side one day and I noticed that they both were staring at the ball straight on like you should be...but they were almost seemingly staring more with their left eye, whereas throughout my entire swing I'm looking directly forward. Well I turned my head ever so slightly right at address and whaddya know...no more chunks.
Weird? Maybe, but it worked i guess.
That kind of neck alignment tweak that you made is a setup piece instructors give students to help them tilt left more on the backswing. It's helpful in encouraging the shoulders to turn steeply enough while also helping to stop the golfer's head from moving up and away from the target as he swings back.
Conversely, one would suggest the neck tilt the opposite way slightly if you wanted to help stop a student from dipping the head towards the ball on the backswing/turning his shoulders too steeply.
From my experience, learning what impact is actually supposed to feel like can take a lot of faith and a lot of hard work, especially if you don't have an instructor present when learning it. It's a feeling most people are not familiar with at all if and when they first experience it. So keep that in mind when trying to change the picture.
A good basic rule of thumb is that keys 1 and 2 play a major role in making key no.3 "flat left wrist" a more natural occurrence at impact. If you get your weight forward correctly and can keep your head relatively steady throughout the strike, then that will go a long way towards you achieving good impact alignments with your wrists.
All that being said, we don't know which aspect of your wrist alignments are going south the most, so that would determine how you would proceed in your curriculum -- you're doing evolvr, right? They'll have some important things to say to you on this issue. For example, some people need to feel more palmar flexion of the lead wrist while others need to feel like they're underloading the wrists and arms on the backswing only to increase various wrist angles in the downswing (P4.1 to P5).
Anyway, as has been said, fat and thin shots are the result of the same thing: the swing's low point is behind the golf ball. The only difference is the golfer makes an extra compensating move or moves (like retracting the arms or something) to prevent the club from crashing violently into the turf before reaching the ball. Instead, you get thin contact of some kind. So essentially, both issues stem from the same underlying problem.
When monitoring the swing's low point, you always want to check 1) where the golfer's weight (or pressure) is at and through impact 2) how steady the head remains throughout the majority of the swing and 3) where is the handle of the club located throughout the player's downswing? Because if it is too far back at impact (like the golfer's weight) then the low point will move back as well.
I'm hesitant to give you specific tips here because there are several variables that determine how you as a student should proceed. If someone has a shitty grip, for example, that can make the flat left wrist at impact harder to achieve. The same thing can be said of a backswing that overloads the arms, shoulders, and/or wrist angles. All basic swing structure is lost and club head throwaway occurs far too early in the downswing.
I assume you're doing evolvr. If so, I would just follow their plan. Obviously it doesn't hurt to ask questions though.
But as you can see, there are several variables at play here as to why a random person hits behind the ball. That's why it's important to have someone in your golfing world who can walk you through some of this stuff. Like evolvr or something. Or better yet, someone in-person who doesn't suck
Originally Posted by mvmac
Originally Posted by Crim
What can I do to fix this. I noticed a quick fix might be to play the ball further back then I normally do, but that just looks and feels awkward to me.
That might be an ok "quick fix" on the course but it's not a good habit to get into. Check out those Key #2 drills and get that piece better.
Yea, don't move the ball more and more back. That'll just make it harder to swing on plane. Can you theoretically play a ball off or near your back foot? Yes. You'd probably have to play huge push draws, but you could do it.
It's better though to have a more neutral ball position for a number of reasons, but I think the big one is that it encourages a more shallow angle of approach into the ball and is easier to control swing direction.
Originally Posted by dsc123
Another "quick fix" that might work for you is to focus on a spot a few inches in front of the ball instead of the ball itself. This helped me a while back, and whenever I go out with people who only play once or twice a year, that's the only tip I give them. Often times it makes a big difference.
But that doesn't get to the root of the problem.
Yep. For anyone new here who is wondering, this was made famous by Bobby Clampett in his book the Impact Zone. It's basically the premise for his entire book, actually.
Edited by JetFan1983 - 4/15/14 at 3:34pm