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My guess is that what most of us would shoot would depend way more on our chipping/pitching ability than our putting.

 

Are we assuming we have the service of professional caddies :-)?   If so, we can probably make a few putts we'd normally miss.

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Are we assuming we have the service of professional caddies :-)?   If so, we can probably make a few putts we'd normally miss.

I would assume so and would assume that we would have full access to practice facilities.

 

If we could also assume at least a practice round (like every other player playing on Sunday had) our chances would be even better.

 

I would also assume I would be able to at least two put after a short game shot most of the time. Those are the two things I do best on a golf course. If I am wrong about that and made a mess of the short game the 88 that I guessed could turn into a complete disaster and who knows what I would shoot. Without a short game it could get really ugly really fast.

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PGA Tour players who occasionally fail to break 80 do so… only occasionally. It's rare. It usually involves making a mess of a hole or two.

While I don't doubt it, the big scores that come immediately to my mind are rules or scorecard snafus -- Ryuji Imada getting the LCP rule wrong in a Euro tour event (I think they use a different LCP; scorecard instead of club, or something like that), or someone writing the score for "in" on the 9th hole instead.
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If you think you could drive down Magnolia Lane, grab your clubs and play this course with it's Sunday setup and shoot better than let's say Zach Johnson has some rounds, a man that's won the Green Jacket, I think you're delusional.

 

John Daly shot a 90. I'd bet quite a lot of money that if you put Matt out there ten times he'd beat John Daly (two major victories!) six times. Especially if he got to prepare a bit (cuz it's not like JD didn't know the course very well).

 

Yeah, he'd make a few doubles, but he'd make some pars and may snag a birdie or two. And…

 

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I see your handicap, and you're obviously a solid player, but I don't think a true 6 hcp would ever break 90 the first time playing this course.  

 

…Ben Roethlisberger shot 81, Michael Jordan shot 86, and even Justin Timberlake shot 88 at Bethpage Black, and that was with a U.S. Open setup… where the scores are historically quite a bit higher than they are at Augusta National.

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If the hazards don't screw you, the greens will! 😁
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If the hazards don't screw you, the greens will! 😁

 

Honestly those type of greens are not that difficult. Maybe its just me, I prefer fast high sloping greens. I like to see break, and I like fast greens. 

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Honestly those type of greens are not that difficult. Maybe its just me, I prefer fast high sloping greens. I like to see break, and I like fast greens. 

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I can't tell if you're being serious. I would imagine the greens at Augusta are extremely difficult, whether you prefer fast greens or not.

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If the hazards don't screw you, the greens will! 😁

 

Honestly those type of greens are not that difficult. Maybe its just me, I prefer fast high sloping greens. I like to see break, and I like fast greens. 

 

For me, greens with subtle (almost invisible) breaks are harder.  Having said that, I am pretty sure I will putt 40+ times at Augusta (my average is 33+ now).   Faster green mean more 3 putts.   With spot line on you, making those short comebackers will not be a gimmie.

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My guess is that what most of us would shoot would depend way more on our chipping/pitching ability than our putting.

 

Most of us would miss a lot of greens (may even have to play some par 4s as three shot holes?) and that would actually help our putting in a backhanded sort of way.

 

The better ball strikers would probably end up with more really tough putts.

 

That's a really good point.

 

Is it true that even drives don't roll out much in the fairways there?  If that's true, that makes this point especially true.  I'm pretty long for an amateur, but I don't carry pro distance, like most of us don't.  So even with an above average driving day, with only 5-10 yards of roll out I'm still hitting long iron into most of those par 4s.  God knows I ain't hitting every green with a 4i!

post #82 of 229
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Didn't know there'd been studies to back it up.  That's interesting.  And yeah, I forgot to mention that not only is it easier to start putts on line but they hold the line better for sure.  Nothing so frustrating as a slow green with wobbles where you hit a good 10 foot putt that would easily drop on a fast true green and it wobbles a few times and ends up just off the edge.

 

Just taking a look at the stroke, with faster greens your stroke is shorter and also "smoother". On slower greens you can get into the tendency to "hit" the putts harder which leads to poor impact conditions.

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110 and be very happy
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In jan I played on the course where they held the Spanish open a few years ago, the greens were terrifying... TERRIFYING!!
I can't fairly compare them to Augusta, but they were lightning fast, I suppose if your used to that kind of surface then it's not so bad, but to me it showed just how skilled the pro's are at putting,
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I can't tell if you're being serious. I would imagine the greens at Augusta are extremely difficult, whether you prefer fast greens or not.

 

I was being serious. I play on a private course once a year. They run them about 11 Stimp. Its an old Donald  Ross design with very mounding greens. I love them, I always putt well there. 

 

Difficult is subjective. I personally find faster greens much easier to putt on. 

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I can't tell if you're being serious. I would imagine the greens at Augusta are extremely difficult, whether you prefer fast greens or not.

 

I was being serious. I play on a private course once a year. They run them about 11 Stimp. Its an old Donald  Ross design with very mounding greens. I love them, I always putt well there. 

 

Difficult is subjective. I personally find faster greens much easier to putt on. 


11 is not that fast.  The last LPGA major tournament's green was 12.  Agusta should be faster.  

 

Amateur golfers may putt straighter on fast, perfectly manicured green.  It's the 3 putts that will get us after missing the long lag putt by 5 - 10 feet by hole. 

post #87 of 229
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11 is not that fast.  The last LPGA major tournament's green was 12.  Agusta should be faster.  

 

Amateur golfers may putt straighter on fast, perfectly manicured green.  It's the 3 putts that will get us after missing the long lag putt by 5 - 10 feet by hole. 

11 is very fast. Augusta should read at about 12 on the stimp. Combine that with the undulation and they make for some deadly greens. The fastest I've played on is 10.5. The fastest greens the pros play is at Oakmont in the US Open - they read at 13-15.

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Honestly those type of greens are not that difficult. Maybe its just me, I prefer fast high sloping greens. I like to see break, and I like fast greens. 

Hilarious comment. You have to be kidding me.  Did you watch any of the Live from the Masters coverage today?  Jack Nickalus, who's obviously won more green jackets than anyone said today that they are the hardest greens to read that he's EVER played on.  He said you've never stood over more scary 3 footers in your life.  I'm going to trust his judgement more than a guy that's never played the course.  Sorry.

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11 is very fast. Augusta should read at about 12 on the stimp. Combine that with the undulation and they make for some deadly greens. The fastest I've played on is 10.5. The fastest greens the pros play is at Oakmont in the US Open - they read at 13-15.

Sorry, 11 is quick, but not smoking. I played in a member/guest this past week. Greens were rolled and double cut each day. They were stimped every day and ran consistently 11.5 early in the day. Likely hit 12 by mid-afternoon. That's fast, but not stupid. Augusta will be faster, and of course will have more contour.

I agree though, faster greens are easier to putt, once you're used to them. But, and this is the point of the thread, mid-hcp players that never play on greens faster than 9ish will lose their minds until they get dialed in. And that will take some time. Not just a pre-round 15 minutes on the relatively flat practice green.
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11 is not that fast.  The last LPGA major tournament's green was 12.  Agusta should be faster.  

 

Amateur golfers may putt straighter on fast, perfectly manicured green.  It's the 3 putts that will get us after missing the long lag putt by 5 - 10 feet by hole. 

11 is very fast. Augusta should read at about 12 on the stimp. Combine that with the undulation and they make for some deadly greens. The fastest I've played on is 10.5. The fastest greens the pros play is at Oakmont in the US Open - they read at 13-15.


I played some fast green courses, including ones around 11 or more.   I think it was manageable (for me).   That was my basis for saying "11 is not that fast."    I also practice putting on my kitchen floor and I bet its stimp meter measurement would be higher than any fast green :-)

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