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Is it OK to carry a 18* FW and 18* Hybrid?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

Hey all,

 

I have a club carousel going on. I need to drop one of the following:

 

15.5* TM R11 3W

18* Cobra Baffler T Rail 5W

18* TM Burner 2.0 3H

 

As far as gaps go the logical thing would seem like drop the 3H or 5W but I'm thinking about losing the 3W for the following reasons:

 

-I hit it probably 10-15 yds longer than the 5W off the tee but if I'm not using driver and want to lay up on a hole, that probably means I'm OK with losing 10-15 more yards

 

-Off the deck they travel about the same, but I'm much more consistent with the 5W. Maybe I should try adjusting the 3W to 16.5 or so but I feel like the 5W club head is easier to sweep even though most would say it is an obvious loft issue

 

-The 5W does still probably go 5-10 yds further than the 3H

 

Is this enough of a gap? BTW my next club is a 23* Cobra S3 Max 4H that I LOVE

 

BTW the wife and I are expecting and she's trying to tighten the belt, so any solutions that include buying more clubs won't work until the birthday.

post #2 of 12

The logic all makes sense to me, but I'm wondering ... what's the distance gap between the 3H and the 4H?  If the 5W only goes 5-10 yards farther than the 3H, but the 3H goes 10-20 (or more) farther than the 4H, then the solution to me would be to adjust the 3H to 19 or 20*.  If it's not adjustable, then I guess that means you wait until your birthday and trade it in?:dance:

 

But if the gap between the 3H and 4H is 5-10, then I think that you already have the right solution.

 

P.S.  Congratulations!:beer: 

post #3 of 12

It depends on how the ball flies off of each club. Note that the longer shaft length of FWs boosts distance.

 

For example, I did an online starter fitting for Ping and got interesting results. Recommended mix for longer clubs:

  • G20 5W... 18*...42.5" shaft
  • G20 2H.... 17*...40.5" shaft
  • G20 3H.... 20* ..40.0" shaft

 

If dialing up the 3W to 16.5* doesn't help with reliability, 3W might be club to drop. For the rest of the solution, see GolfingDad above.

post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the tips guys. As far as ball flight the 5W launches very high and the 3H has a much lower, piercing flight. On windy days I'll probably drop the 5W and on very wet days probably drop the 3H.

My 4H goes about 175 and 3H about 185 so while on paper it looks like 19 or 20* would make more sense I think going 23* to 18* works fine for me.

I'm gonna adjust the R11 and try it as a 16.5* 4W and then probably drop it....even though I LOVE it off the tee.
post #5 of 12

Those sound like good gaps @PJCdude .  You may be able to get the 3H to launch a bit higher with ball position.  Move if forward a half to whole ball at the range and see if it will launch higher.

post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the tip boogie. I've been hitting a little fat lately (the shitty weather doesn't help) so I've been hesitant to move anything to far forward. Ill give this a shot though
post #7 of 12

You can have a shallow attack angle or put the ball forward and still deloft the face at impact. With 18 degrees, it's probably enough loft to give you good height off the deck. When you deloft a 15 degree wood and don't make perfect contact though, it can be very tough to get good shots out of it. Off the tee however, the face has more loft near the crown and presumably you can swing more freely, resulting in a high enough launch. 

 

However, you can also get your weight forward and play the ball a bit forward without delofting the club too much, which is the best way to hit long clubs IMO. Even though you don't want to take much loft off, trying to add too much loft through technique is probably worse because most people will flip or stay back on the shot which results in weak shots. You definitely want to bottom out after the ball and it can be hard to trust clubs with little loft sometimes. When you tee it up it lets you swing up slightly on the ball and gives you more margin for error even if you flip a little bit. That's OK, as long as you know to make a better swing for a ball on the ground. If your 5w lets you do that then by all means carry it as your longest club or the longest you use off the deck.

 

I wouldn't take out a club you know will help you, unless it comes up very rarely. The result of your tee shots determine a big part of your score, though there are typically only 14 per round. If you use the 3w over the driver on more than a couple holes I'd keep it and drop the 3h. I think I'd want more than a 10 yard gap in my long clubs if I were carrying 4 wedges, which is probably a smart move IMO.

post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
I think it'll probably depend on the course Lucsious. I'm still relatively new to the game and enjoy figuring out what works on the range but its good to hear reasoning from experienced players as well. When I drop the 3H on certain courses I never use 3W but on some others I usually play is prob use it off the tee 4 or 5 holes.
post #9 of 12

Putting all of your information together, it looks like:

 

your 4h is 175

your 3h is 185

your 5w is 190-195

your 3w, is the same, except maybe 205-210 off the tee.

 

So you're looking to fill a gap between 4h (175) and your driver, and you're looking for something you can hit both off a tee and the fairway consistently.

 

Personally, I think 10-yd gaps when you're getting above 5i are too tight.  The odds of hitting the green with the longest clubs in your bag is well under 50%.  Additionally, even a relatively shallow green is going to be 25-30 yards deep, so with a 25-yd gap you're still leaving yourself coverage for any situation you're likely to face.  For those clubs, your primary discriminator should be how consistently you hit the club.  So long as the gaps are 25-yds are less, you're not doing yourself any favors by hitting a club inconsistently just because it's a better yardage when you hit it well.

 

My suggestion would be to trade in all three clubs on a club you can hit consistently, both off the deck and the tee, about 195.  Since you'll be trading 3 in for 1, you probably don't even have to wait for your birthday.  I'm guessing the right answer is a shallow faced wood at around 16-17*, or a different hybrid (maybe one that matches your 4h except in 17* or so).

post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by PJCdude View Post
 

Hey all,

 

I have a club carousel going on. I need to drop one of the following:

 

15.5* TM R11 3W

18* Cobra Baffler T Rail 5W

18* TM Burner 2.0 3H

 

As far as gaps go the logical thing would seem like drop the 3H or 5W but I'm thinking about losing the 3W for the following reasons:

 

-I hit it probably 10-15 yds longer than the 5W off the tee but if I'm not using driver and want to lay up on a hole, that probably means I'm OK with losing 10-15 more yards

 

-Off the deck they travel about the same, but I'm much more consistent with the 5W. Maybe I should try adjusting the 3W to 16.5 or so but I feel like the 5W club head is easier to sweep even though most would say it is an obvious loft issue

 

-The 5W does still probably go 5-10 yds further than the 3H

 

Is this enough of a gap? BTW my next club is a 23* Cobra S3 Max 4H that I LOVE

 

BTW the wife and I are expecting and she's trying to tighten the belt, so any solutions that include buying more clubs won't work until the birthday.


Don't look at the numbers on the club, look at the results instead. some you will hit better than others, some will go further or shorter than others.

post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 
If the weather holds out I'm gonna try and play 9 after work at Pelham Bay in the Bronx. Pretty wide open so I'm gonna drive most holes, sit the 3W and bag both the 5W and 3H, then try the 3W set at 16.5* at the range this weekend.
post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 

Played the back nine. Hole 10 is a 420 yd monster par 4 that I can never reach the green in 2. Hit my driver the usual 220 or so and then hit a low 5W 200 yds onto the green and 2 putt for par!

 

After 24 putts (on 9 holes mind you) numerous skulls over the green and fat mid iron shots I carded a 55. My hybrids, 5W and driver were totally on point. Looks like Im concerned about the wrong end of the bag. :censored:

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