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Flat lie angle Ping I25

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Hey I could use some feed back from some of you experts. I am a single digit handicap play from 6700-7xxx yards driver swing speed 111 and I  recently got the money to invest in a new set of irons. I played mizuno mp 32-s basically my whole life, standard lofts and lie angles... Only wanted new sticks cuz the grooves are non existent. Any how, I got fitted with a fitting professional and when we put the tape on etc etc I basically hit more near the heel every time. I am 5'8 by the way... We tried all the irons from titleist ap2 - taylor mades new blades. But the ping I25 had higher trajectory and my misses still had some juice. So, we put true temper Dynamic Gold x100 shafts in , and he went 1 degree FLAT. I took them to the range when I got them today and basically sucked. I hit hooks, pulls, basically any decent shot was left going left. I even hit a few shanks which I haven't done in years. Seriously people looked from across the range like wtf is this kid doing. I guess with them being bent flat I need to set the club up lower to the ground? Aka standing a touch further away or something like that? Golf has always made sense to me but god dang I gotta figure this out or my 800$ clubs are going straight on craigslist and back to the mizunos I go. PLZ PLZ anyone that has been fitted to FLAT respond and let me know what I need to do or what worked for you. Thanks for reading, 

 

Stephen 

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First off..Welcome to TST, hope you enjoy your stay, and hopefully you are able to contribute some of your playing knowledge.

 

O.k...I really can't help you, but I would like to share my experience with regards to clubs that are bent to be flat.

 

I'm 6' and in the past I was fitted for irons that were 1" longer, and 1 degree upright. I stopped playing for like 12 yrs, and just began last Oct. I bought a used set of titleist 175CM's from a local guy. So stupid me, in my excitement of getting clubs, I failed to ask 2 important questions. 1 are they standard length or..?   and 2..are they standard lie, well the dude never said anything about either. About 2 days after I had them, I noticed a serial #, called Titleist, and found out they are 2 degrees Flat..well, I hit off mats for the most part, and If I happen to catch one semi heavy, I get a nasty pull, or pull hook, and more than enough of the balls I hit are pulls, I can feel the toe catch a lot of times. So today I bought some used Titleist 695CB's standard length and lie, and guess what, very few pulls on my not so great strikes. I still hit some out toward the toe, but not as much as I did, and that I'm guessing has nada to do with the lie. Anywho, sorry for the long post, maybe this helps, and maybe not, but it's all I got..lol

 

Once again welcome aboard.

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Without going into the finer details of club fitting, it's worth considering that you can only compare apples to apples. That means one OEM "flat" lie angle can be different to another's - simply because the specs are different from their "standard". It's therefore better to compare the specific measured lie angle (and length) to make any judgement about what you need in an iron. 

Lie board testing can reveal a certain amount, but your attack angle into the ball has to be taken into account too - a flat lie angle can sometimes be mis-diagnosed for instance. Heel hitting is a classic sign of wrong length - you didn't make any mention of getting fitted for correct length?? If you are forced to alter your stance, then you have not been fitted properly.

And lastly - look at the physical difference in irons. Your previous MP-32's are a classic blade set up with minimal offset - i25's have noticeably more offset and toe weighting to enhance forgiveness. A bit of a culture clash with what you are used to perhaps? i25's have Pings notorious low swing weight too. Next time, make sure you get fitted properly before dropping a wad of cash on a hunch - it's can save you money in the long run.

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I would say keep them for a month, get used to weight, length and get your swing a bit more consistent with them, then get the lie/length tested again! At 5'8", like me! A half inch shorter night have solved the problem, some fitters, it appears, prefer to keep the length as it is and adjust the lie, but it's not always suitable, by shortening the shaft you reduce the lie, and I think that can be a better alternative in cases of of people 5'8" and below, that's what I did anyhow, I'm now used to the length and weight so I'm now going to get the lie re tested in a week or 2!
Just a suggestion though, I'm no expert!
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Originally Posted by Nemicu View Post
 

Without going into the finer details of club fitting, it's worth considering that you can only compare apples to apples. That means one OEM "flat" lie angle can be different to another's - simply because the specs are different from their "standard". It's therefore better to compare the specific measured lie angle (and length) to make any judgement about what you need in an iron. 

Lie board testing can reveal a certain amount, but your attack angle into the ball has to be taken into account too - a flat lie angle can sometimes be mis-diagnosed for instance. Heel hitting is a classic sign of wrong length - you didn't make any mention of getting fitted for correct length?? If you are forced to alter your stance, then you have not been fitted properly.

And lastly - look at the physical difference in irons. Your previous MP-32's are a classic blade set up with minimal offset - i25's have noticeably more offset and toe weighting to enhance forgiveness. A bit of a culture clash with what you are used to perhaps? i25's have Pings notorious low swing weight too. Next time, make sure you get fitted properly before dropping a wad of cash on a hunch - it's can save you money in the long run.

Nah man I was fitted with the best in the area they have been doing this for 20 plus years. Not in the slightest doubt everything is fitted properly. It was just a rough test run thats all, I will figure it out. I come into the ball pretty steep though, and have a strong grip, I never really get into a toe up position, I have a kuchar/fowler like swing with a semi closed face. It's all good, I was hitting into a 20 mph wind at the range as well, which will exaggerate any sort of miss. Thanks for all the welcome aboards cheers 

post #6 of 6
Assuming you are right handed and have a repeatable swing your miss to the left indicates either the lie angle is too upright or the shaft flex is too light.
I inherited my Dad's clubs (G-10's) yellow dot (1 1/2 degree upright) and I consistently would draw/hook the ball with a shallow divot even when I thought I hit it fat. Obviously the heel was making first contact with the ground first and pulling the head around creating the pull to the left.
I have been fit by 4 Ping fitters and all concluded flat though they could not agree on how much (purple, orange and brown dots). The first 3 were done during those demo nights with the Ping reps and 50 other people wanting their attention so my time with them was extremely limited. Feeling frustrated I finally paid an instructor/Ping certified fitter for an hour of his time devoted exclusively to me! He fit me with purple dot (1 1/2 degree flat) ,1/2" short , aqua grip and regular flex. Ironically he was dead on the Ping web fit specs except they projected 1/4" short.
Well over the course of 2 years after weighing all the input I had along with many searches here and access to a grass range stocked with a full Ping fitting cart. I finally sent my irons back to Ping in early March and chose red dot-2.25 degree change from yellow. Knowing in the past with my Eye 2's I was what used to be a solid red dot (1 degree flat) I decided I would rather err on the side of too upright (red dot is now 3/4 of a degree flat) since I would rather end up with a slight draw instead of a slight fade. Well I've been out with the clubs to the range 3 or 4 times now this spring and I know that I made the right decision going slightly upright because proper contact is a 10-15 yard draw and my miss is dead straight. My divots are all now consistently straight and even . Contact is much improved and distances are better.
Now I know some of you are asking, why did it take 2 years? Well, I like to take my time to be sure. Fortunately I have a set of G15's black dot and Eye 2's red dot and a couple of individual Ping irons I could bend to flatter lie angles plus access to the fitting cart at the range, so I had a good basis for experimentation.
So the moral of my story is no matter what some fitter or pro says you need, YOU know your own game better than any other. Give it some serious thought and trust your gut instincts.
Edited by dmnoland - 4/19/14 at 9:29pm
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