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post #91 of 176
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Originally Posted by Lihu View Post


The only thing that sticks out is your claim to have an average drive of 197 yards. I don't think it makes any sense to say that would be your average drive like it would be your "typical". When someone asks "How far do you drive?", most people think with a driver.

Yes, I could claim that my average drive distance is 197 yards as well, but the next time I hit into a group at 260 yards away I'll just tell them that some guy on the Internet told me that my average drive is only 197 yards.

And I can say that my average drive is just shy of 200 yards, because sometimes I use my PW off the tee which cuts my 240 yard drive down to 197.

It just doesn't make sense to quote such a number.

 

 

I agree it doesn't make much sense but it was the first time I attempted such an experiment and it made sense to me at the time. If I started over I would do it differently. But there are threads here that specifically state average distances (Average Distances... How far do you hit each club? and don't lie...), and people often post citing "average driver distance" numbers ... so?

 

I do think it is to my point though that most people are not lying. Online users posting "my average drive is XYZ" probably do not really mean average or if they do only some restricted kind of average. In the absence of information about the data and how it is used it is just a number without any context. Given some information about the data and how it was processed, it was easy for you to conclude (rightly) that while 197 might be correct it is hardly useful.

 

I also agree that the only club anyone ever asked distance for is driver (I alluded to that). I used to say "I'm not sure, what exactly do you mean?" and 100% of the time the answer would be along the lines of "Well you know, on average how far do you hit driver?". I do not take much responsibility to read minds but it is my fault for not leading with better questions like "You mean under normal conditions what is a good drive for me?".

post #92 of 176

I never understood the emphasis on distance either - seems like a d1ck measuring contest (I guess if you're a tournament player it's more important).     I could care less about my distance - I'm your basic average.      Accuracy is what I'm working on - GIR's are the name of the game...  

post #93 of 176

At my home course we had a young assistant pro named Jordan who was a big kid at 6'4" and a very good player. He shot our course record(63) back in 2003 that still stands today. I've been a member there since 2005 and unfortunately my first year there was Jordan's last. I got to know him in the clubhouse we would have some good chats and he was just a nice humble kid doing his job. We talked about going out to play together but never made it out that season and he left to work at another course out of our area the following year.

 

Now here's the funny part:

Since I never got to see Jordan play and the guy was humble and would never brag about distance or his game, after he left older members would talk about how far he hit the ball. Listening to them talk about his distance was like reading old stories of Pecos Bill and Paul Bunyon, lol. Members would say he normally drove the ball 400 yards and would hit driver/wedge to all the par 5's.

There's no doubt in my mind that Jordan likely pounded the ball in the 300 yard range and hit all the par 5's with mid-irons but listening to the older members over exaggerate his distance had me chuckling inside. 

 

 

 

I guess distance is just one of those things people like to increase in their mind to add that "bling" effect to their stories. As a scratch player I've had plenty of rounds over the years with average golfers that tell me you must be driving it 300 yards, which I have to correct them and say no that one was only 265-270. Because I'm 30 yards ahead of them and they think they drive the ball 260 so they assume my drive had to be close to 300,lol!

In my opinion one of the first steps in learning how to score in golf is you have to know how far you REALLY hit the ball. Without that information you will never be able to consistently hit the target and keep your ball out of serious trouble. For the most part I don't think the average golfer has that piece of information because they either just don't know or they think they hit it farther than they do so their game suffers.

 

But I wish I would have gotten out to play with Jordan before he left. I enjoy watching and playing with the good younger guy's that can put it out there 30 yards past me. It's fun to watch and I can still play within myself and give them a game. 

post #94 of 176
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Originally Posted by Paiste View Post
 

It doesn't affect me at all but I'm just curious as to why so many guys tend to lie about the distance that they can hit their clubs with. Sooner or later, they're going to be out golfing with someone that they recently lied to and they will be exposed. I just don't get it. It doesn't make you a better golfer because you can hit it farther than everyone else.

 

The ones I love the best are guys that claim that they can hit their PW 160 to 180 yards. Seriously? I hit my PW about 115 to 120 yards and it's dialed in to that yardage every time and I'm not the least bit embarrassed that I can't bomb my PW. That's not what it's for; it's a scoring iron, more of a finesse club (IMO).

 

Anyways, just something that I wanted to bitch about. Cheers.

It's either that they don't really know or small P syndrome.

post #95 of 176

Good players hit the ball further. When I see a <2 handicap claim they hit their drives around 300 and PW 150 yards, I believe them. I have played with scratch golfers who hit most of their drives over 300 yards. But when a 15+ handicapper claims they hit their drives 300+, I assume they're lying. If you can hit 300 yard drives, it means you're hitting the ball with high swing speed in the center of the club face, and if you're hitting the ball with high swing speed in the center of the club face, you must be a really good player, not a 15+ handicap.  

post #96 of 176
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Originally Posted by M2R View Post


I agree it doesn't make much sense but it was the first time I attempted such an experiment and it made sense to me at the time. If I started over I would do it differently. But there are threads here that specifically state average distances (Average Distances... How far do you hit each club? and don't lie...), and people often post citing "average driver distance" numbers ... so?

I do think it is to my point though that most people are not lying. Online users posting "my average drive is XYZ" probably do not really mean average or if they do only some restricted kind of average. In the absence of information about the data and how it is used it is just a number without any context. Given some information about the data and how it was processed, it was easy for you to conclude (rightly) that while 197 might be correct it is hardly useful.

I also agree that the only club anyone ever asked distance for is driver (I alluded to that). I used to say "I'm not sure, what exactly do you mean?" and 100% of the time the answer would be along the lines of "Well you know, on average how far do you hit driver?". I do not take much responsibility to read minds but it is my fault for not leading with better questions like "You mean under normal conditions what is a good drive for me?".

I agree. To top it off, I would say when someone asks for "average" they mean "typical" as average does not have any direct bearing on score. It's a good performance metric for you to work on self improvement.

It's probably just a semantics issue.
post #97 of 176
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Originally Posted by tmac20 View Post
 

Good players hit the ball further. When I see a <2 handicap claim they hit their drives around 300 and PW 150 yards, I believe them. I have played with scratch golfers who hit most of their drives over 300 yards. But when a 15+ handicapper claims they hit their drives 300+, I assume they're lying. If you can hit 300 yard drives, it means you're hitting the ball with high swing speed in the center of the club face, and if you're hitting the ball with high swing speed in the center of the club face, you must be a really good player, not a 15+ handicap.  

 

I doubt that. C'mon, look at the PGA Tour stats. Most golfers are not hitting the ball 300 yards. Most PGA Tour players are not hitting the ball 300 yards! Currently 22 of 206 average 300+.

post #98 of 176
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post

I doubt that. C'mon, look at the PGA Tour stats. Most golfers are not hitting the ball 300 yards. Most PGA Tour players are not hitting the ball 300 yards! Currently 22 of 206 average 300+.
You can doubt it if you want but it's true. They're both tall and flexible. One is a soccer player and the other got a scholarship to some College in the US. I'm not considered a short hitter and these guys blew by my drives. The first hole is a par 5 that plays 520 yards from the tips, and one guy hit driver PW. He had no more than a gap wedge into all par 4's. I've never seen anything like it. They would both be up there on the driving distance stat if they played on tour.
post #99 of 176
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Originally Posted by tmac20 View Post

You can doubt it if you want but it's true. They're both tall and flexible. One is a soccer player and the other got a scholarship to some College in the US. I'm not considered a short hitter and these guys blew by my drives. The first hole is a par 5 that plays 520 yards from the tips, and one guy hit driver PW. He had no more than a gap wedge into all par 4's. I've never seen anything like it. They would both be up there on the driving distance stat if they played on tour.

 

I might have misread that. I didn't think you were referring to one or two specific players; I thought you were referring to "the scratch golfers with whom you've played." As in 10+.

post #100 of 176
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post

I might have misread that. I didn't think you were referring to one or two specific players; I thought you were referring to "the scratch golfers with whom you've played." As in 10+.
Yeah sorry, I've played with many scratch players, but only 2 of those players hit their drives 300+. I might have worded that first post poorly.
post #101 of 176
Here's my two cents... It is a collaboration of all players that make people lie...

If everyone is saying 300, am I going to say my honest 245 (and average more like 230) Probably not. I'll say my drive of a lifetime.

From what I've seen on the course, my 240 isn't getting stomped by that much that often. I'm not saying people don't, I watch the PGA pros at stores hit 3 woods that far, but your average 90 shooter golfer out there isn't that long.

One more note: for the 25 handicappers hitting "300" out there.... If this really is true, I might lie the opposite direction. If you have the length to hit anything in 2, most with 2nd shot being wedge and are taking 4 strokes per hole more from beside the green, you have serious other problems.
post #102 of 176

I hit a 330 yard drive this weekend...  Does it matter that it landed on a hard downslope and rolled the other 60/70 yards?!  ;-)

post #103 of 176
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Originally Posted by clutchshot View Post


One more note: for the 25 handicappers hitting "300" out there....

 

You are addressing population of 0 ... :-)

post #104 of 176
All this talk, I was just thinking a good drive for me is 230 yards including carry and (probably lots of) roll. That happens once or twice a round. I remember my longest drive last year went 260 (downhill, FTW) and thinking how nice it must be to be able to hit into the green with a wedge a couple times a round, haha.
post #105 of 176
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Originally Posted by RFKFREAK View Post

All this talk, I was just thinking a good drive for me is 230 yards including carry and (probably lots of) roll. That happens once or twice a round. I remember my longest drive last year went 260 (downhill, FTW) and thinking how nice it must be to be able to hit into the green with a wedge a couple times a round, haha.

I only drive 240-ish and have at least 3 par 4 per round with only a wedge to the green.

The answer is quite simple, play shorter tees.
post #106 of 176
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Originally Posted by Paiste View Post
 

It doesn't affect me at all but I'm just curious as to why so many guys tend to lie about the distance that they can hit their clubs with. Sooner or later, they're going to be out golfing with someone that they recently lied to and they will be exposed. I just don't get it. It doesn't make you a better golfer because you can hit it farther than everyone else.

 

The ones I love the best are guys that claim that they can hit their PW 160 to 180 yards. Seriously? I hit my PW about 115 to 120 yards and it's dialed in to that yardage every time and I'm not the least bit embarrassed that I can't bomb my PW. That's not what it's for; it's a scoring iron, more of a finesse club (IMO).

 

Anyways, just something that I wanted to bitch about. Cheers.


I agree.

 

What's funny is I just played with one of these distance humpers the other day.  We rolled up to a 160 yard par 3 that's pretty straightforward with some water on the left and sand traps around half the green, all avoidable as long as you don't muff your drive.  Normally I hit a 7 on this hole but there was just enough of a headwind to make you think it might cause problems in getting to the green.  I decided drop down to a 6 to be safe and then watched this macho clown smash his ball 100 feet in the air and have the wind stop it probably 15 yards short of the green.  I hit mine and had it land on the front edge of the green and roll to the back.  This guy immediately turns and asks what I hit, and I tell him a 6 iron.  He does this mocking laugh and says he hit an 8 and sorta complains how my ball is pin high.  I basically just blew it off and kept playing my game, knobs like this I've already learned you just gotta ignore.

post #107 of 176
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Originally Posted by Strandly View Post


I agree.

What's funny is I just played with one of these distance humpers the other day.  We rolled up to a 160 yard par 3 that's pretty straightforward with some water on the left and sand traps around half the green, all avoidable as long as you don't muff your drive.  Normally I hit a 7 on this hole but there was just enough of a headwind to make you think it might cause problems in getting to the green.  I decided drop down to a 6 to be safe and then watched this macho clown smash his ball 100 feet in the air and have the wind stop it probably 15 yards short of the green.  I hit mine and had it land on the front edge of the green and roll to the back.  This guy immediately turns and asks what I hit, and I tell him a 6 iron.  He does this mocking laugh and says he hit an 8 and sorta complains how my ball is pin high.  I basically just blew it off and kept playing my game, knobs like this I've already learned you just gotta ignore.

160 is still good for a normal 7i.
post #108 of 176
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Originally Posted by Strandly View Post
 


I agree.

 

What's funny is I just played with one of these distance humpers the other day.  We rolled up to a 160 yard par 3 that's pretty straightforward with some water on the left and sand traps around half the green, all avoidable as long as you don't muff your drive.  Normally I hit a 7 on this hole but there was just enough of a headwind to make you think it might cause problems in getting to the green.  I decided drop down to a 6 to be safe and then watched this macho clown smash his ball 100 feet in the air and have the wind stop it probably 15 yards short of the green.  I hit mine and had it land on the front edge of the green and roll to the back.  This guy immediately turns and asks what I hit, and I tell him a 6 iron.  He does this mocking laugh and says he hit an 8 and sorta complains how my ball is pin high.  I basically just blew it off and kept playing my game, knobs like this I've already learned you just gotta ignore.

 

 

160 with a slight headwind, I would probably try to flight an 8 iron in there. 

 

I never really played with any macho type guys in the leagues I play in. They usually know their game because they have played the course countless times and know the distances. 

 

There is one way to stop the lying. Stop asking how far you hit the clubs.  :-P

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