So you're telling me that they've already lost greens, or what? I apologize, but I'm finding it hard to follow what you last post was saying. Do you think they specifically withhold water from the greens to keep them firm? You had mentioned that the fringe was overwatered and often soggy (the reason you couldn't land it short and bounce on) so maybe the course is trying to soften them already and not succeeding?
As to hard greens discouraging beginners, I still would have to disagree. Fast greens, maybe, but hard greens make no difference to a true beginner who may only be able to get the ball 20 feet into the air on a decent shot. Having played with my cousins frequently, who are just learning golf, I can say with certainty that most approach shots hit by a beginner end up rolling onto the green rather than landing or bouncing there. That's just because they don't tend to make perfect contact to send the ball soaring, instead hitting lower trajectory shots. Hard greens only really start to have an impact when you hit the ball in a higher trajectory and have the opportunity for your ball to bounce off. Fast greens would, in my opinion, affect new players more than a firm green just because their shots would roll further on the green, possibly going off into the back fringe where they might be inclined to chip instead of putt.
As just a final aside before I leave the discussion (I apologize for taking it off track), you cannot be certain of the course's goals unless you work there and know what the course wants. For example, the course I work at puts an emphasis on customer service. If you're out and someone's hitting from a trap, you go over and offer to rake it for them. Little things like that, but it makes it feel friendly there at least to me.
Anyways, I'll stay out of this one now so we can get back on topic.
Ok, so in fact you are agreeing with me and you don't know it. If you have a fast green that is SOFT when you hit the green with any sort of decent short it will hit and check then stop anywhere within 15 feet. If you have a fast AND hard green and you hit it with a decent shot it cannot check and thus will keep rolling to the back. A fast green that is soft will stop MANY shots. A HARD green even if its slow can't stop a shot because it won't allow it to check.
You are saying that a hard green will ONLY cause the ball to bounce. That is not true it will not allow it to check AND MAKE IT ROLL OFF OF THE BACK. You just explained by a ball rolling to the back of a green or off the back of the green that would discourage a newer golfer. This is exactly what I was saying.
Also, again Hershey links had 12 stimp greens. These are fast greens. I've seen a low shot with spin stop or a high shot stop or a nutted shot stop on those greens. The reason is because they are soft enough to let the ball bite into them. If the ball bites into them then they are more likely to stop. If a green doesn't even make a mark when you hit it from 180 our with a high shot then nothing will stop on it....That's the whole point.
So again I think you are actually agreeing with me but don't know it....
BTW this guy who is a superintendant disagrees with what you are saying as well....In that yes for the most part to try to make them faster you also make them harder. My point is and has always been that if this is the case they should worry more about making them playable and not trying to make them lightning quick....The other thing that he says makes perfect sense. If you DON'T water them you kill the grass and make the greens harder...
Just a little fyi from a stupid Superintendent. More often than not fast greens are firm greens unless they have alot of thatch. You water a green to keep it alive not to soften them up. And stop calling Superintendents stupid. these men and women have college degrees and dedication to there jobs.