Originally Posted by David in FL
So whether you hit the green or miss it is completely subjective? I'm curious, how far do you have to miss a green by in order for you to consider yourself as having "missed" the green? 6 inches? 1 foot? 3 feet? Anything on the fringe? What if there's no fringe? Is it only a GIR/putt if you actually use the putter, and the exact same approach becomes a missed GIR if you opt to chip? Is an approach that ends up on the fringe but 100 feet from the hole treated the same as one on the fringe but 20 feet from the hole? 80 feet versus 30 feet? 60 versus 40? Or does it all vary day by day, shot by shot?
If you boom a drive 300+ yards but miss the fairway by 6 inches, do you count that as a fairway hit too, because it was still be a damn good drive?
I'm really not trying to be a pain in the ass here. I'm genuinely trying to understand. If the purpose of keeping stats is to gain a better understanding of our game, it seems to me that the criteria for each stat should be well defined, objective, and consistently applied. Otherwise the stats themselves are less reflective of what actually happened and more about the subjective context of the entire shot. Since that subjectivity is going to vary without well-defined parameters, analysis of the statistics themselves is going to be far less precise. That's not opinion, it's just math....
I'm going to try to address your questions in the order they were asked so even though it may come across kind of choppy, it should make sense looking back at the questions.
100% subjective, yes. If I miss the green, even by a quarter of an inch, with anything less than a 6 iron, it's always a missed GIR. 6 iron or above is dependant on the difficulty of the shot, and relation to the hole. If I miss a green by 2 inches but am only 10 feet from the hole and have a great look at birdie, I mark it as a GIR and am counting my putt. If I miss the green by a quarter of an inch, but am 60 feet from the flag, it's a missed GIR. That kind of leads me to the answer of your next question. There's no specified distance off the green, though I would say it always has to be within 3-4 inches for me to count it. Basically a ball that landed softly and just rolled a couple inches into the fringe is eligible to be a GIR depending on the yardage it was hit from and how similar it was to what I was trying to do. Putter must be used for me to count it as a GIR (because I would count the subsequent putt), and I would not use the putter on a shot that barely missed the green if there was no fringe, therefore it would be a missed GIR. My system does not vary day by day, but it does vary shot by shot.
I never boom drives 300+ yards unless there is a STRONG wind or a cartpath was involved, but any shot not hit from the fairway is always a missed FW. I go by the book on this one. It's either in the FW or it's not.
No worries about all the questions. I understand that deviating from the norm is going to be controversial, especially when it comes to something as black and white as keeping stats. I also agree that it makes sense to follow a structured system that has no room for error, and my system is not exactly that. There is some room left for interpretation. However, even though it seems quite complicated from my description, I feel that it is very consistent and serves me well. Not consistent in terms of comparing my stats to yours, even if you used a modified system like I do. I may count stats that you didn't, or vice versa. It is consistent in terms of me and me alone though... My system basically comes down to identifying problem areas, as it does with most people I'm sure. I used to keep stats the normal way, by the book. However, I felt that certain scenarios placed the the focus on the wrong part of my game, and although I'm sure it would average out in the long run, I feel that my system points out the problem areas more consistently. If I have a 10 foot putt from barely in the fringe, I expect no worse than a 2 putt for par. If I were to 3 putt and make bogey, looking at a traditional stat sheet it would say I missed the GIR and 2 putted for bogey. While that is essentially right, I would look back and think I made a poor approach shot when that isn't true. In fact, it opens a whole world of possibilities. I could have hit a ball in a hazard, then dropped, hit on the green, and 2 putted. I could have missed the green by 40 yards, 2 yards, 100 yards. Regardless, it appears that a poor approach shot was the culprit of the bogey. My way shifts the focus to the putting, which is where the real issue occured. Bottom line is I put myself in great position to make par and didn't execute with the flat stick. I want to know that when I look at my stat sheet. Any poor approach shot always gets accounted for. If it was a poor shot in my eyes and was not up to my expectations, it's always a miss, assuming it's not literally on the green. If it was a poor shot but still ended up on the green, I reluctantly count it as a GIR of course.