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post #19 of 30
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Originally Posted by trickyputt View Post

Werent you speaking about policy drift?

And you think your picture says anything about anything?

Talk. Use words, Discuss actual policies.
post #20 of 30
Im glad I missed this the first time around as I tend to type before I think on issue like this. In my late teens and 20's I've been held at gunpoint three different occasions each by the Police, EACH was because I "fit the description." Each time it sucked gigantic balls! The first time I cried like a baby because I was a kid and scrared to death, but by the third time I was laughing the whole time like this is really happening to me again? To be fair the Police apologized and sent me on my way each time. The first time I was so shooken up the cop actually followed me home and talked to my parents and apologized to them also.

I guess Im trying to say if you dont want to be stopped and frisked, dont be born Black or Latino. Yes the Police have a job to do and what happened to me all those times could be considered a form of collateral damage but to this day I dont trust the Police for e1_poo.gif and Im 38 years old. The Police can be effective by doing old fashioned Police work. I guess all Im trying to say is knowing that you can be minding your own business not doing anything wrong you can have a gun shoved in your face and it's ok just bothers me. But I deal with it because I was born black. e2_whistling.gif

Now back to Golf...........Cmon Tiger!
post #21 of 30
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Originally Posted by RonTheSavage View Post

Im glad I missed this the first time around as I tend to type before I think on issue like this. In my late teens and 20's I've been held at gunpoint three different occasions each by the Police, EACH was because I "fit the description." Each time it sucked gigantic balls! The first time I cried like a baby because I was a kid and scrared to death, but by the third time I was laughing the whole time like this is really happening to me again? To be fair the Police apologized and sent me on my way each time. The first time I was so shooken up the cop actually followed me home and talked to my parents and apologized to them also.

I guess Im trying to say if you dont want to be stopped and frisked, dont be born Black or Latino. Yes the Police have a job to do and what happened to me all those times could be considered a form of collateral damage but to this day I dont trust the Police for e1_poo.gif and Im 38 years old. The Police can be effective by doing old fashioned Police work. I guess all Im trying to say is knowing that you can be minding your own business not doing anything wrong you can have a gun shoved in your face and it's ok just bothers me. But I deal with it because I was born black. e2_whistling.gif

Now back to Golf...........Cmon Tiger!

Well said!  We could all use a lesson on white privilege .

post #22 of 30
WHY?
post #23 of 30

Why - because it would enlighten one as to things which one takes for granted.  Such as, in this case, one can support stop and frisk while knowing full well that it is more than likely not going to affect oneself.  This is not true for our black and latino friends - they do not have that privilege.

post #24 of 30

I don't care what color the LEO is.  There is a job to be done to help preserve the peace and assist the general public in a time of need.  Officers are prepared and trained to keep and eye on the surroundings and intervene when they suspect a possibility of a crime about to be committed.

 

So I don't mind being randomly stopped and frisked by a LEO as long as she is HOT!!:-D

post #25 of 30
Since we're on the subject of Stop and Frisk, and by the way this happened just yesterday. Damn Shame
[VIDEO][/VIDEO]

From Vice.com

If you haven’t heard about Eric Garner yet, let me fill you in. He was a 43-year-old father of six who lived in Staten Island, and he died in the street on Thursday after as many as four New York police officers choked him and slammed his head on the ground. The NYPD told the Associated Press that they stopped Garner because he was selling untaxed cigarettes, something he’d been arrested for before. However, witnesses who spoke with local news website Staten Island Live have basically said that’s bullshit. Ramsey Orta, who was on the scene and shot a now infamous video that is making the rounds, can be heard in the clip saying that all Garner had done to get bothered by the police was break up a fight.

In the video, Garner denies any wrongdoing and asks why he’s being hassled. “Every time you see me you want to mess with me," he says in an exasperated tone that most men of color across this country can relate to. Garner, who was 400 pounds and has been described by people who knew him as a “gentle giant,” suffered from chronic asthma and police claim his death was the result of a heart attack suffered during the arrest.

Police say that Garner made a “fighting stance” and resisted arrest. Which, based on the video clip, is complete nonsense, considering we can see him pleading to the officers, "I can't breathe, I can't breathe!" before going completely silent as several officers pile on him.

The video of Garner’s death is disgusting, but I can’t say I was shocked or even outraged the first time I watched it. At this point, as someone who’s read and written about some of these stories time and time again—and who's had firsthand experiences with the way cops treat black males—this kind of reprehensible shit is not surprising at all. After so many cases like Amadou Diallo and Sean Bell, you start to feel desensitized by the seemingly insurmountable injustice that plagues communities of color.

As an editor at VICE, I am well aware of how often the “Black Person Is Abused by Police” story arises in the news cycle. It’s become sort of an evergreen editorial topic for us, like anal sex or circumcision activism. If one of my contributors submits a piece on the phenomenon of unarmed black dudes getting shot by the cops a little past deadline, I just tell them to wait a few weeks and we’ll be able to run it again when the next black kid gets killed with a few of the details changed. We’ve even resorted to running Bad Cop Blotter, a column dedicated to the brutality of American police just to chronicle it all—because the instances are so numerous that we can’t commission full articles every time it happens across the country.

In the time since I wrote about the curious case of Victor White in Louisiana (local police claim that White shot himself while handcuffed in the back of a cop car), my inbox has been getting blown up by grieving black parents and community members from all over the country who are suspicious about the events that transpired in altercations between the police and their loved ones. These stories are everywhere—sometimes they’re never reported or they end in trumped-up charges

This long legacy of police brutality really hit home for me a couple weeks ago, when I was sitting in a lush theater seat at the industrial-chic BAMcinématek to see the 25th anniversary screening of Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing. If you haven’t seen the classic film, it takes place in the early 90s on the hottest day of the year in Brooklyn’s Bed-Stuy neighborhood as tensions mount between the blacks, Italians, and the NYPD. The movie hit theaters a few years before the 1992 riots in Los Angeles and can been seen as a perfect encapsulation of that era’s contentious race relations. The climax of the film, which ends in a race riot, is punctuated by the iconic young black character Radio Raheem (played masterfully by Bill Nunn) dying in the choke hold of NYPD officers. Most famously, as Raheem gasps in vain, the camera frames just his twitching feet, making a horrific visual allusion to the history of black lynching in the United States. To me, this shot has always signified a truth often ignored through all of our claims of equality and progress—that the plight of the black man in America hasn’t changed as much as we’d like to think. It’s so incredibly disheartening to think that a film made about the racial turmoil of the early 90s is just as relevant today as it was a quarter of a century ago.

Like the fictional death of Radio Raheem, the actual death of Eric Garner is a blatant reminder that in the eyes of the law, black lives are worth a lot less in this country than whites and that black men are still seen as needing to be controlled and killed if necessary—just as they were in antebellum South. If you’re a black man, that harsh reality is the kind of shit that haunts you so much that it almost seems easier to acquiesce and just give up. Why expend emotion over something that seems like it will never ever change? That’s the question I jadedly asked myself as I watched Eric Garner’s video. It wasn’t until I hit social media that I was pulled out of the hopeless, resolute reality of these incidents. There, on Facebook feeds and Twitter hashtags, I was emboldened by the righteous indignation of my peers of all colors, clamoring at the clear ****ed-up-ness surrounding the NYPD and Garner's death.

For what it’s worth, we’ve got to keep talking about the Eric Garners and the Ramarley Grahams and the Kenneth Chamberlains of the world in the hope—even if it is a blind hope—that this shit doesn’t happen again.

Yeah Stop and Frisk is Awesome
post #26 of 30
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Originally Posted by RonTheSavage View Post

Since we're on the subject of Stop and Frisk, and by the way this happened just yesterday. Damn Shame
[VIDEO][/VIDEO]

From Vice.com

If you haven’t heard about Eric Garner yet, let me fill you in. He was a 43-year-old father of six who lived in Staten Island, and he died in the street on Thursday after as many as four New York police officers choked him and slammed his head on the ground. The NYPD told the Associated Press that they stopped Garner because he was selling untaxed cigarettes, something he’d been arrested for before. However, witnesses who spoke with local news website Staten Island Live have basically said that’s bullshit. Ramsey Orta, who was on the scene and shot a now infamous video that is making the rounds, can be heard in the clip saying that all Garner had done to get bothered by the police was break up a fight.

In the video, Garner denies any wrongdoing and asks why he’s being hassled. “Every time you see me you want to mess with me," he says in an exasperated tone that most men of color across this country can relate to. Garner, who was 400 pounds and has been described by people who knew him as a “gentle giant,” suffered from chronic asthma and police claim his death was the result of a heart attack suffered during the arrest.

Police say that Garner made a “fighting stance” and resisted arrest. Which, based on the video clip, is complete nonsense, considering we can see him pleading to the officers, "I can't breathe, I can't breathe!" before going completely silent as several officers pile on him.

The video of Garner’s death is disgusting, but I can’t say I was shocked or even outraged the first time I watched it. At this point, as someone who’s read and written about some of these stories time and time again—and who's had firsthand experiences with the way cops treat black males—this kind of reprehensible shit is not surprising at all. After so many cases like Amadou Diallo and Sean Bell, you start to feel desensitized by the seemingly insurmountable injustice that plagues communities of color.

As an editor at VICE, I am well aware of how often the “Black Person Is Abused by Police” story arises in the news cycle. It’s become sort of an evergreen editorial topic for us, like anal sex or circumcision activism. If one of my contributors submits a piece on the phenomenon of unarmed black dudes getting shot by the cops a little past deadline, I just tell them to wait a few weeks and we’ll be able to run it again when the next black kid gets killed with a few of the details changed. We’ve even resorted to running Bad Cop Blotter, a column dedicated to the brutality of American police just to chronicle it all—because the instances are so numerous that we can’t commission full articles every time it happens across the country.

In the time since I wrote about the curious case of Victor White in Louisiana (local police claim that White shot himself while handcuffed in the back of a cop car), my inbox has been getting blown up by grieving black parents and community members from all over the country who are suspicious about the events that transpired in altercations between the police and their loved ones. These stories are everywhere—sometimes they’re never reported or they end in trumped-up charges

This long legacy of police brutality really hit home for me a couple weeks ago, when I was sitting in a lush theater seat at the industrial-chic BAMcinématek to see the 25th anniversary screening of Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing. If you haven’t seen the classic film, it takes place in the early 90s on the hottest day of the year in Brooklyn’s Bed-Stuy neighborhood as tensions mount between the blacks, Italians, and the NYPD. The movie hit theaters a few years before the 1992 riots in Los Angeles and can been seen as a perfect encapsulation of that era’s contentious race relations. The climax of the film, which ends in a race riot, is punctuated by the iconic young black character Radio Raheem (played masterfully by Bill Nunn) dying in the choke hold of NYPD officers. Most famously, as Raheem gasps in vain, the camera frames just his twitching feet, making a horrific visual allusion to the history of black lynching in the United States. To me, this shot has always signified a truth often ignored through all of our claims of equality and progress—that the plight of the black man in America hasn’t changed as much as we’d like to think. It’s so incredibly disheartening to think that a film made about the racial turmoil of the early 90s is just as relevant today as it was a quarter of a century ago.

Like the fictional death of Radio Raheem, the actual death of Eric Garner is a blatant reminder that in the eyes of the law, black lives are worth a lot less in this country than whites and that black men are still seen as needing to be controlled and killed if necessary—just as they were in antebellum South. If you’re a black man, that harsh reality is the kind of shit that haunts you so much that it almost seems easier to acquiesce and just give up. Why expend emotion over something that seems like it will never ever change? That’s the question I jadedly asked myself as I watched Eric Garner’s video. It wasn’t until I hit social media that I was pulled out of the hopeless, resolute reality of these incidents. There, on Facebook feeds and Twitter hashtags, I was emboldened by the righteous indignation of my peers of all colors, clamoring at the clear ****ed-up-ness surrounding the NYPD and Garner's death.

For what it’s worth, we’ve got to keep talking about the Eric Garners and the Ramarley Grahams and the Kenneth Chamberlains of the world in the hope—even if it is a blind hope—that this shit doesn’t happen again.

Yeah Stop and Frisk is Awesome

What a disgrace!

Those are the actions of some overzealous power hungry cops who think they are doing their jobs..

Without justifying the actions of the cops I have to admit with Garner knowing the way cops are shouldn't he have just put his hands behind his back as soon as they came in? As soon as you do any action that resembles resisting arrest the cops will use any necessary or unnecessary force!

This one might not be forgotten as fast as some of the other incidents such as the college kid who got shot dead for example.
post #27 of 30
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Originally Posted by Abu3baid View Post

What a disgrace!

Those are the actions of some overzealous power hungry cops who think they are doing their jobs..

Without justifying the actions of the cops I have to admit with Garner knowing the way cops are shouldn't he have just put his hands behind his back as soon as they came in? As soon as you do any action that resembles resisting arrest the cops will use any necessary or unnecessary force!

This one might not be forgotten as fast as some of the other incidents such as the college kid who got shot dead for example.

I thought about this alot over the weekend because I shared this story with relatives and we agreed that he should've said his piece then put his hands behind his back and faced the wall. These cops are monsters and this wasnt his first run-in with them. Im all for standing up for yourself, but when you have children like this gentleman had you have to in this case literally live to fignt another day. I also want to apologize for posting such a graphic video without a disclaimer. That was not cool at all. I was so bothered by this I wasnt thinking straight at the time.
post #28 of 30
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Originally Posted by RonTheSavage View Post


I thought about this alot over the weekend because I shared this story with relatives and we agreed that he should've said his piece then put his hands behind his back and faced the wall. These cops are monsters and this wasnt his first run-in with them. Im all for standing up for yourself, but when you have children like this gentleman had you have to in this case literally live to fignt another day. I also want to apologize for posting such a graphic video without a disclaimer. That was not cool at all. I was so bothered by this I wasnt thinking straight at the time.

@RonTheSavage

 

I have never experienced what you have, but it infuriates me too.  I was not bothered by you posting it.

post #29 of 30
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Originally Posted by RonTheSavage View Post


I thought about this alot over the weekend because I shared this story with relatives and we agreed that he should've said his piece then put his hands behind his back and faced the wall. These cops are monsters and this wasnt his first run-in with them. Im all for standing up for yourself, but when you have children like this gentleman had you have to in this case literally live to fignt another day. I also want to apologize for posting such a graphic video without a disclaimer. That was not cool at all. I was so bothered by this I wasnt thinking straight at the time.

There are some things that are offensive and shouldn't be posted because people have the right to not be subjected to it. Things like pornography or @Patrick57 threads. Then there are other things, like this video, that need to be seen and comprehended. Those who would stick their heads in the sand and live in blissful ignorance are what's offensive. My heart aches for this man's family. Did he make some bad decisions with how he dealt with the situation? Yeah, probably, but he did not deserve to die for them. I hope those cops get what's coming to them but history has taught me that they won't.

:-(

post #30 of 30

Okay.  Now I'm being serious.  Not gonna get wordy.  Just serious.  

 

I think that incident was terrible almost beyond belief.  I spent three years in law enforcement.  I have even been hassled by "Robocops" here in IN. when I was actually the one doing the call in!!

 

I watched Ghandi last night.  Really hits hard to see this kind of stuff.   When will we learn!?

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