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post #199 of 336
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Originally Posted by RJH999 View Post


Do me a favor and read the first 10 google articles on Joost Luiten. a1_smile.gif He's only a few shots back!

 

Yeah ... and at least Joost is going to win an Olympic medal, which is more than Tiger's going to do

post #200 of 336
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Originally Posted by ChrisP View Post
 

 

Please no Ryan Palmer. Great week and all, but he's not done anything all year.

 

Phil and Zach look to be in on points if things hold.

 

If Sneds has one more solid round tomorrow, I think he and Keegan become almost locks as 2 of the Captain's picks. The third one could go to anyone. Maybe even Mahan.


Spieth played pretty awfully at valhalla. He did lose to Bubba at the masters this year of course, so that's something at least.

 

Bubba simply schooled the young kid.

 

Then again Spieth is still a highly ranked American golfer. I just hope he starts playing well and winning more.:beer:

post #201 of 336
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Originally Posted by ChrisP View Post
 

Please no Ryan Palmer. Great week and all, but he's not done anything all year.

 

You should have heard the trembling and barely concealed fear in Paul McGinlay's voice as the prospect of Weissberger gatecrashing the European team ahead of McDowell dawned on him

 

It was a bit like the ghost of 1999 when one tournament (the Open) suddenly saddled Mark James with Paul Lawrie and Jean van de Velde, Jarno Sandelin having also worked his way in from the sheer volume of tournaments played. I think we changed the selection process shortly after, or did we have another renewal with the old system.

 

Payne Stewart famously said that the Europeans weren't good enough to be the American's caddies. I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt in that it was a back handed complement handled clumsily, and mischievously reported in Europe

post #202 of 336
I believe that's when Europe split its qualification between world ranking points and European Tour money.
post #203 of 336

I think you're right CD (it was about that time). It needed to be done. We've certainly had a few controversial selections inbetween. Both Padraig Harrington and Paul Casey were asked to come back and qualify I seem to recall? or risk not getting picked. Both refused, neither were picked, or played again

 

It was certainly starting to become possible for journeymen to play every tournament and work their way onto a team and this was weakening what we could put out. We also needed to defend the integrity of the tour too though, so couldn't give every body a pass out

 

I note incidentally that Azinger has now added his voice to the don't pick Tiger camp (or more like the can't pick Tiger camp). Will he play in Europe next?

 

Reading the various comments this morning (and I guess these correspondents are all close enough to the pulse in Valhalla) the received wisdom will be that Tiger will take the decision away from Tom in the near future and admit that his valiant defiance has come up short. If he's going to do that though, he owes it to all concerned to make that decision pretty much now (even if its only to be communicated a bit later)

 

If he isn't going to try and prove his fitness in Europe, then Tom only has the evidence he's got to go on. So far Tiger's own diagnosis of his strength and fitness has proven a little optimistic, but perhaps it ought to be mentioned as well that he's always conceeded he's not yet right

 

It's over for him this year isn't it?

post #204 of 336

Wow, a horrible effort by those on the fringe of the team (Phil excluded) coming into the week those in 7 thru 20 only Phil made the top 40, way to show the Skipper your colours!

post #205 of 336
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Originally Posted by Wansteadimp View Post
 

Wow, a horrible effort by those on the fringe of the team (Phil excluded) coming into the week those in 7 thru 20 only Phil made the top 40, way to show the Skipper your colours!

 

Yeah, at this point I'm thinking Watson should maybe just take Hunter Mahan. Guy at least seems like a big game player, especially good in match play (won Accenture Match Play Championship in 2012, beating Rory in the final, and lost in the final to Kuchar in 2013).

 

And of course if there was any doubt before, Phil is on the team for sure. He'll make it on points at this point, won't need to be a captain's pick.

 

Of the motley group of contenders in the 12-20 range in the rankings though, it appears Ryan Moore was the best with a -2. Ouch.

 

I wonder how many of these guys actually want to be on the team, though?

post #206 of 336
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Originally Posted by acerimusdux View Post

Yeah, at this point I'm thinking Watson should maybe just take Hunter Mahan. Guy at least seems like a big game player, especially good in match play (won Accenture Match Play Championship in 2012, beating Rory in the final, and lost in the final to Kuchar in 2013).

And of course if there was any doubt before, Phil is on the team for sure. He'll make it on points at this point, won't need to be a captain's pick.

Of the motley group of contenders in the 12-20 range in the rankings though, it appears Ryan Moore was the best with a -2. Ouch.

I wonder how many of these guys actually want to be on the team, though?
True, but he has had a poor year. I think he should just give it to people deserving. CP's likely to be Keegan, Webb, and Sneds. Maybe Na or Kirk mixed in.
post #207 of 336
In my eyes, Keegan's the only player who's a sure bet to be a captain's selection. Mahan, Snedeker, Stricker, Moore, et. al.: all of them need to prove more in the next couple of weeks. There are two slots on the team up for the taking.
post #208 of 336
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True, but he has had a poor year. I think he should just give it to people deserving. CP's likely to be Keegan, Webb, and Sneds. Maybe Na or Kirk mixed in.

 

Well none of those guys have really had a much better year.  He's moved into the top 25 at this point, so at least is in the discussion, especially if Dufner and Kuchar are out. Mahan actually started the year well, but struggled badly from late April to early June. I'd like to see a little more, but if he's straightened things out, he should be a possibility. But only a few more weeks before the captain's picks are announced, I wouldn't be surprised if it's just the next three guys on the list. If Kuchar and Dufner are out, then Moore maybe makes it on points as a replacement. And I wouldn't be surprised if Watson just took the next three guys, Todd, Bradley and Kirk.

 

The current list:

 

1 1 Bubba WATSON* 6,930.038
2 4 Rickie FOWLER* 6,733.253
3 2 Jim FURYK* 6,707.694
4 3 Jimmy WALKER* 6,111.405
5 10 Phil MICKELSON* 5,510.338
6 5 Matt KUCHAR* 5,114.665
7 6 Jordan SPIETH* 4,835.827
8 7 Patrick REED* 3,650.227
9 9 Zach JOHNSON* 3,568.694
10 8 Jason DUFNER 3,559.720
11 13 Ryan MOORE 3,352.872
12 12 Brendon TODD 3,343.383
13 11 Keegan BRADLEY 3,324.698
14 14 Chris KIRK 3,287.883
15 15 Webb SIMPSON 3,155.570
16 16 Harris ENGLISH 3,036.069
17 17 Kevin NA 2,960.818
18 29 Ryan PALMER 2,612.134
19 18 Matt EVERY 2,527.306
20 25 Brandt SNEDEKER 2,476.649
21 19 Erik COMPTON 2,458.793
22 20 Kevin STADLER 2,456.482
23 21 Brian HARMAN 2,447.704
24 22 Gary WOODLAND 2,364.386
25 32 Hunter MAHAN 2,346.356
post #209 of 336
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Originally Posted by acerimusdux View Post

Well none of those guys have really had a much better year.  He's moved into the top 25 at this point, so at least is in the discussion, especially if Dufner and Kuchar are out. Mahan actually started the year well, but struggled badly from late April to early June. I'd like to see a little more, but if he's straightened things out, he should be a possibility. But only a few more weeks before the captain's picks are announced, I wouldn't be surprised if it's just the next three guys on the list. If Kuchar and Dufner are out, then Moore maybe makes it on points as a replacement. And I wouldn't be surprised if Watson just took the next three guys, Todd, Bradley and Kirk.

The current list:
1 1 Bubba WATSON* 6,930.038
2 4 Rickie FOWLER* 6,733.253
3 2 Jim FURYK* 6,707.694
4 3 Jimmy WALKER* 6,111.405
5 10 Phil MICKELSON* 5,510.338
6 5 Matt KUCHAR* 5,114.665
7 6 Jordan SPIETH* 4,835.827
8 7 Patrick REED* 3,650.227
9 9 Zach JOHNSON* 3,568.694
10 8 Jason DUFNER 3,559.720
11 13 Ryan MOORE 3,352.872
12 12 Brendon TODD 3,343.383
13 11 Keegan BRADLEY 3,324.698
14 14 Chris KIRK 3,287.883
15 15 Webb SIMPSON 3,155.570
16 16 Harris ENGLISH 3,036.069
17 17 Kevin NA 2,960.818
18 29 Ryan PALMER 2,612.134
19 18 Matt EVERY 2,527.306
20 25 Brandt SNEDEKER 2,476.649
21 19 Erik COMPTON 2,458.793
22 20 Kevin STADLER 2,456.482
23 21 Brian HARMAN 2,447.704
24 22 Gary WOODLAND 2,364.386
25 32 Hunter MAHAN 2,346.356
If I was Tom(unfortunately I am not) I would take Keegan, Sneds, and mayyybe Webb, Moore, or Mahan. Na, Todd, or Kirk would be unsexy choices.
post #210 of 336

The guys ranked 10-12 have not lit the world on fire, but neither have those who are even lower on the list done anything to justofy taking them over a player higher on the list. I'd only take Bradley if Duf could not go due to his health. 

post #211 of 336

The problem with Dufner potentially is whether or not he's going to have to miss golf to recover? What's the extent of this injury? I don't know? What's his schedule?  at the moment he's outside the team so he looks an unlikely pick to me, unless he's going to play injured. Same with Kuchar. What's his plans and what's the level of his discomfort. Nothing like a few bad shots to start playing with a slightly injured players mind. You're going to be livid as a captain, a team, and indeed a country of supporters if someone is concealing an injury and then has it exposed at Gleneagles. I wouldn't risk either.

 

I'm not so sure Keegan's nailed on either, albeit I accept he's in the box seat and one of the positions are his to lose, but if he doesn't play solidly in the next 3 weeks, lose it he will. I don't believe he really needs to demonstrate the level of form though that perhaps the other candidates do, and he for one has to happy that Phil's qualified on merit.

 

Might a better strategy be to hail Mary a bit and go for long hitters, put them in a fourball and say look, so long as one of you out driving the European's you're at least putting the pressure on, or on a similar logic, if one of you is reaching the green with a birdie opportunity, we're giving ourselves a chance. It doesn't matter what happens to the other ball.

 

As a complete left field rookie pick there are some statistics that make me wonder if Brooks Kopecka

 

Key players for me are Phil Mickelson who needs to play a Ryder Cup the like of which he's never really done before (or only hinted at being able to), and Bubba Watson who needs to be mollycoddled and kept away from the media as much as possible. I'm trying to see who the totem could be who'd be capable of energising a team. It doesn't need to be the lead by example best player type, but I don't really see that the senior pros on the American team are that type of individual. It needs someone from the middle strata to come out the woodwork and say, "you know what, this is our moment, let's get the hell out there impose ourselves and claim it". Patrick Reed?

post #212 of 336

Here is who I take on the US side. Snedeker might seem like a long shot, but ultimately the Ryder Cup is a putting contest and that guy can roll it.

 

1 Bubba WATSON*
2 Rickie FOWLER*
3 Jim FURYK*
4 Jimmy WALKER*
5 Phil MICKELSON*
6 Matt KUCHAR*
7 Jordan SPIETH*
8 Patrick REED*
9 Zach JOHNSON*
10 Tiger Woods
11 Keegan Bradley
12 Brandt Snedeker

 

 

These would be my initial pairings:

 

Four Ball:

Watson/Reed

Mickelson/Bradley

Woods/Spieth

Fowler/Snedeker

 

Foursomes:

Furyk/Johnson

Mickelson/Bradley

Kuchar/Walker

Fowler/Watson

post #213 of 336
You mentioned Brooks Koepka: he doesn't have a PGA Tour card as of this moment, so I don't think he's even eligible to play.
post #214 of 336
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Originally Posted by Chilli Dipper View Post

You mentioned Brooks Koepka: he doesn't have a PGA Tour card as of this moment, so I don't think he's even eligible to play.

You sure about that? He's playing on the European Tour, but the Ryder Cup is between nationalities and not between Tours. We probably had golfers for Europe playing on the PGA Tour instead of the ET as well in the past.....

post #215 of 336

Captain's picks are Keegan, Webb, and Sneds. Would be reasonably shocked if it's not these three guys.

post #216 of 336
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Originally Posted by Silent View Post

You sure about that? He's playing on the European Tour, but the Ryder Cup is between nationalities and not between Tours. We probably had golfers for Europe playing on the PGA Tour instead of the ET as well in the past.....
This came up with Carl Pettersson a few years ago. He had earned enough world ranking points to be in contention for a spot on the European team, but he didn't hold active European Tour membership, which rendered him ineligible.
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