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post #73 of 78
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Originally Posted by newtogolf View Post

I never contended red light or peed cameras are self incriminating but they basically write tickets with minimal consideration or discretion that a police officer might use.   It's a revenue generator and I'm sure that in order for Google to place their cars on the road there will be concessions that provides law enforcement agencies access to some of the data.
Peed cameras??? Good Lord!!!
post #74 of 78
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Originally Posted by saevel25 View Post
 

 

Well in Dayton there isn't much discretion because they are set for 12 mph over the speed limit in an urban setting. So, tell me why a cop shouldn't be pulling you over going +10 mph over the speed limit? I don't see that argument really. Oh well the cop wasn't there, so what? 

 

Honestly speed limit and red light cameras are more fair in terms of enforcing the traffic laws because it takes out human error and human bias. What is fair about a cop having a bad day and pulling people over for doing 2 over the speed limit, then the next day pulling people over if they only go 12 over the speed limit? Should we be penalized due to how a cop feels about giving out tickets that day.

 

Of course tickets are a revenue generator. I was driving around Ohio over Memorial Day weekend, I saw upwards of 20 State Highway patrol man driving to Canton and back down to Dayton. They knew that traffic was up and more people would speed. Does it bother you they generate revenue? You are breaking the law when you speed, own up to the ticket. The penalty is a monetary fee. Hence revenue generating. Revenue is kinda side effect of giving out tickets. I love how people say, "Oh its a cash grab". All I say is, "DUH!! YOUR SPEEDING!!!" Heck if I could make money off of people speeding I would.

Because with the sole purpose being revenue generation, there's little to no oversight.  What if the device malfunctions or is set intentionally to ticket motorists going over 5mph?   I was under the impression we were still innocent until proven guilty and you had the right to face your accuser in court.  The local governments gets away with it by just fining the vehicle owner and not assigning points to the driver since they have no way to validate who was driving. 

 

I'm not sure how it's gone in Ohio, but here in NY there are issues with red light cameras giving tickets to vehicles that it shouldn't have.  It's also all but undone the right on red law as there's uncertainty how long you have to wait before turning so now no one turns on right where these camera's are positioned.

 

I often hear your slippery slope argument if you're not doing anything illegal you have no reason to be concerned.  I guess we should all welcome government cameras in our homes and businesses so the government can monitor everything we do to generate more revenue since only the guilty have anything to worry about.

 

Speed camera's, immigration check points, invasive x-ray searches at airports, and who knows what else, leads me to think we better remove the words "O'er the land of the free" out of the Star Spangled Banner.

post #75 of 78
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Originally Posted by saevel25 View Post

Well in Dayton there isn't much discretion because they are set for 12 mph over the speed limit in an urban setting. So, tell me why a cop shouldn't be pulling you over going +10 mph over the speed limit? I don't see that argument really. Oh well the cop wasn't there, so what? 

Honestly speed limit and red light cameras are more fair in terms of enforcing the traffic laws because it takes out human error and human bias. What is fair about a cop having a bad day and pulling people over for doing 2 over the speed limit, then the next day pulling people over if they only go 12 over the speed limit? Should we be penalized due to how a cop feels about giving out tickets that day.

Of course tickets are a revenue generator. I was driving around Ohio over Memorial Day weekend, I saw upwards of 20 State Highway patrol man driving to Canton and back down to Dayton. They knew that traffic was up and more people would speed. Does it bother you they generate revenue? You are breaking the law when you speed, own up to the ticket. The penalty is a monetary fee. Hence revenue generating. Revenue is kinda side effect of giving out tickets. I love how people say, "Oh its a cash grab". All I say is, "DUH!! YOUR SPEEDING!!!" Heck if I could make money off of people speeding I would. 

Good to know that they give you +12. I love how everyone brakes to -5 and then gun it when they pass. I actually like the red light and speed cams. I admit that I run fewer yellows not knowing.
post #76 of 78

I thought the Google cars could already navigate city traffic, but I guess I was wrong.

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/529466/urban-jungle-a-tough-challenge-for-googles-autonomous-cars/

 

 

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Urban Jungle a Tough Challenge for Google’s Autonomous Cars

July 24, 2014. It may be decades before autonomous vehicles can reliably handle the real world, experts say.

 

Google’s cars make extensive use of detailed maps that describe not only roads and restrictions such as speed limits, but the 3-D location of stop lights and curbstones to within inches. The company is now working to make its vehicles capable of seeing and understanding the kind of unexpected obstacles that don’t appear on those maps and are particularly common in urban areas, said Chris Urmson, the director of the project, last week.

 

“Obviously, the world doesn’t stay the same,” said Urmson, speaking at a conference bringing together academics and auto-industry engineers working on autonomous driving. “You need to be able to deal with things like temporary construction, and so we’ve been putting a lot of effort into understanding the semantic meaning of the world.”

 

That made me wonder what the Google car does now when it sees a traffic cop at a school crosswalk, or a construction worker with a stop sign, telling your lane to stop and wait until they block the oncoming traffic. Found this:

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/04/what-happens-when-a-google-driverless-car-encounters-road-construction/361306/

 

 

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What Happens When a Driverless Car Encounters Construction

April 28, 2014. The human driver takes over, at least for now.

 

 

As they were bopping along under autonomous control, the car encountered some unanticipated roadwork. Here's what happened: 

We are in the left lane on Mountain View's West Middlefield Road when some road work appears up ahead. A dozen or so orange cones guide traffic to the right. The self-driving car slows down and announces the obstruction — "lane blocked" — but seems confused what to do next. It won't merge right, even though no cars are coming up behind us. After a few false starts, Brian Torcellini takes the wheel and steers around the cones before reengaging auto mode.

So, for now, humans still have a purpose behind the wheel. But check out the rest of Eric Jaffe's article to see how long that might last. (Spoiler: not very long!)

Despite Google's engineers taking control of the car twice in a relatively short drive, the sense that the driverless vehicle's time has nearly arrived is palpable in Jaffe's story.

post #77 of 78

It takes time to develop this kind of technology.

post #78 of 78

  Most of the practical applications for self-driving cars would be for the blind or visually impaired.   The sighted majority is worried about giving up control- they like the feeling that if there is a potential accident, there is somebody to blame . That tells you a lot about the subconscious motivations of many people in our, personally I find that rather a dark commentary.

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