Jump to content
IGNORED

Hitting before letting somebody play through.


Moppy
Note: This thread is 3605 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts

Is this really bad form? We had a couple behind our foursome yesterday who started lecturing us on pace of play when we were teeing off. We had one guy who chunked his drive and went to hit again, this was not a tournament, it was a golf outing. So he played his first shot, but we all chunked a bunch of shots, and after the lady was so rude, we all made sure that we putted out every player, usually we will pick up when things get out of hand. We asked them if they wanted to play through on the next hole, but we hit while we were waiting for them to catch up, then waited for them. They just drove past us without even acknowledging us and drove on to the next hole. Their loss.  But should we have just waited there for them to catch up and hit before we hit? By approaching us already angry on the first tee, they kind of lost all of our sympathy, and we kind of rubbed their nose in some slow play one the first hole, but were we that wrong? If they were such fast players, I would think they would have caught up with us, as they made a big show of waiting for us to clear the green. We did wait a little while for them at the second tee before we hit, but finally we got impatient.

We went off on our tee time. I think the real problem was the course not spacing tee times having these guys right on top of us while we were still teeing off. Other than one guy going to hit a second shot, we had not made any unreasonable number of practice swings, like more than one or two, or committing any other obvious violations of decorum.

Are we supposed to just sit and wait at the next hole however long it takes the group behind us to catch up, to let them play through? There was nobody ahead of us for several holes. Nobody else caught us.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Unless I'm having serious reading comprehension issues, it sounds like you're right here and they weren't being reasonable. They were angry about pace of play, even though you were at your start time and weren't behind? It's one thing to be angry about pace of play if you were slow, but you hadn't played the first hole yet! There was someone in my group on Friday that sounds like he could very well have been behind you in this round. He scheduled a tee time between 9 and 10 am at a muni course, and then proceeded to be upset -- yelled at the marshal at one point, which I felt was uncalled for -- because he wasn't going to be able to make his 2:00 meeting. I don't think you needed to wait at the second tee. If anything, if they caught up when you were on a par-3 green, wave them up and encourage them to finish first if their tee shots are reasonable. That'll allow them to get through (assuming there's no one behind them that this will slow down).

-- Michael | My swing! 

"You think you're Jim Furyk. That's why your phone is never charged." - message from my mother

Driver:  Titleist 915D2.  4-wood:  Titleist 917F2.  Titleist TS2 19 degree hybrid.  Another hybrid in here too.  Irons 5-U, Ping G400.  Wedges negotiable (currently 54 degree Cleveland, 58 degree Titleist) Edel putter. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

There's nothing at all wrong with teeing off while you wait for them, then allowing them to go ahead. In fact, that will usually allow for a smoother transition. It sounds like you were frustrated by their poor manners and reacted somewhat passive aggressively yourselves. That's where you went wrong though. Let them through, and get on with enjoying your own round. No need to poke someone who's already upset, for whatever reason. Just out if curiosity, how long did your round take, with all that "chunking" going on?
  • Upvote 1

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw

Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
Ball: ProV1

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

About four and a half hours. We played best ball on the back nine, which sped it up a lot. We had good holes and bad holes. The first one was a bad hole. The guy who went to re-tee picked up pretty often as he had a pretty bad day. We probably did get a little passive aggressive on the first hole, but just a tip, maybe had they not started out with the anger, they would have enjoyed their afternoon more. As for us, we had a great time. I was just curious about hitting while waiting for them to play through.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Not to beat a dead horse, but so long as your group was keeping pace with the group you were following........there is no need to let anyone play through.

What's in Paul's Bag:
- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Driver
- Big Bertha Alpha 815 3-wood
- Callaway Razr Fit 5-wood
- Callaway Big Bertha 4-5 Rescue Clubs
-- Mizuno Mx-25 six iron-gap wedge
- Mizuno Mp-T4 56degree SW
- Mizuno Mp-T11 60degree SW
- Putter- Ping Cadence Ketsch

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Is this really bad form? We had a couple behind our foursome yesterday who started lecturing us on pace of play when we were teeing off. We had one guy who chunked his drive and went to hit again, this was not a tournament, it was a golf outing. So he played his first shot, but we all chunked a bunch of shots, and after the lady was so rude, we all made sure that we putted out every player, usually we will pick up when things get out of hand. We asked them if they wanted to play through on the next hole, but we hit while we were waiting for them to catch up, then waited for them. They just drove past us without even acknowledging us and drove on to the next hole. Their loss.  But should we have just waited there for them to catch up and hit before we hit? By approaching us already angry on the first tee, they kind of lost all of our sympathy, and we kind of rubbed their nose in some slow play one the first hole, but were we that wrong? If they were such fast players, I would think they would have caught up with us, as they made a big show of waiting for us to clear the green. We did wait a little while for them at the second tee before we hit, but finally we got impatient.

We went off on our tee time. I think the real problem was the course not spacing tee times having these guys right on top of us while we were still teeing off. Other than one guy going to hit a second shot, we had not made any unreasonable number of practice swings, like more than one or two, or committing any other obvious violations of decorum.

Are we supposed to just sit and wait at the next hole however long it takes the group behind us to catch up, to let them play through? There was nobody ahead of us for several holes. Nobody else caught us.

Honestly, this would annoy me too.  If you suck and chunked a ball and someone is waiting on you.. sorry but get the hell off the tee box and play your ball.  The fact that is wasn't a tournament is irrelevant.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


I would strongly agree with David FL above! I would also suggest if a 4 ball was about to tee off on the first hole, and a 2 ball following was also at the tee box, I would have let the 2 ball go before me then, Rather than pause my game at a later hole! If you know your slow, accept it, and allow others to enjoy their game while you learn to pick up pace! Once you let a few groups through on a round, you soon learn to pick up pace! I play in a regular 3 ball, and I would say we're fast! Not particularly good! But still fast! We very rarely need to let anyone through, but often get let through by others!

Gaz Lee

Link to comment
Share on other sites


I would strongly agree with David FL above!

I would also suggest if a 4 ball was about to tee off on the first hole, and a 2 ball following was also at the tee box, I would have let the 2 ball go before me then, Rather than pause my game at a later hole! If you know your slow, accept it, and allow others to enjoy their game while you learn to pick up pace!

Once you let a few groups through on a round, you soon learn to pick up pace!

I play in a regular 3 ball, and I would say we're fast! Not particularly good! But still fast!

We very rarely need to let anyone through, but often get let through by others!

Exactly what I was thinking.

"No man goes round boasting of his vices,” he said, “except golfers." 

-- Det. Elk in The Twister by Edgar Wallace

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

We are talking about the first tee here, going off on time, and they didn't even show up until we had already started to tee off. This was a total hair trigger thing. There was no line when we got there, and nobody caught up with us after we let them pass, though we did occasionally see the group behind us teeing off when we were on the green of a par four.

In retrospect, we should have let them play though even though we had already teed off, and after they did, let our guy hit his second shot. I just didn't know whether this was done or not. Not hitting the second shot I mean, this is a guy who took up the game last year at 59 and loves it more than it loves him, but letting someone play through after you have already hit.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


The other thing is that this was a course in northern Vermont, in a little village, that is seldom crowded, if ever, not  a course on Long Island, for example, which is why there is no starter and they send you to the first tee as soon as you pay. We only had a tee time because we paid on GolfNow. Honestly, had they asked to go first, seeing there were four of us and two of them, we would have let them. But they weren't there when we started to tee off.

Lesson for me is let them play through even after we have hit. Lesson for you guys is to be polite and you will probably get what you want and enjoy your round more.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


If someone started off right away lecturing about pace of play before the round even started it means they were more worried about getting done at a certain time than they were anything else. If that were the case they should have simply stated they were hoping to get done by a certain time and would it be ok if they played through. Starting off with an attitude is the worst way to get what you want. I imagine they may also have been regulars at that course. Also, the fact that you had enough time to wait, hit your shots, then wait some more before they even made it to you probably meant that you weren't going to be holding them up anyway.

KICK THE FLIP!!

In the bag:
:srixon: Z355

:callaway: XR16 3 Wood
:tmade: Aeroburner 19* 3 hybrid
:ping: I e1 irons 4-PW
:vokey: SM5 50, 60
:wilsonstaff: Harmonized Sole Grind 56 and Windy City Putter

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

But your also correct in that there is nothing wrong in teeing of, and then allowing a throughball, we've done this and others have done it to us, you can walk up fairway together, nice way of meeting people! Plus I'd rather watch someone else hit a ball than someone watching me!

Gaz Lee

Link to comment
Share on other sites


But your also correct in that there is nothing wrong in teeing of, and then allowing a throughball, we've done this and others have done it to us, you can walk up fairway together, nice way of meeting people! Plus I'd rather watch someone else hit a ball than someone watching me!


Totally agree, a lot of times, if someone is playing through they are on a cart and I'm walking, so they will get to their ball quicker than I can get to mine, so make sense to hit, let them hit and then all move out at the same time.

Craig 

Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

Link to comment
Share on other sites


It sounds like you were frustrated by their poor manners and reacted somewhat passive aggressively yourselves. That's where you went wrong though. Let them through, and get on with enjoying your own round. No need to poke someone who's already upset, for whatever reason.

I honestly wish I could take that advice and react in precisely that manner in such situations. I'd be a better person for it, and probably much happier overall.

But, Lord help me, I just can't. I would've poked them, and then poked them again at the very next opportunity.

It's a character flaw, for sure.

John

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Honestly, this would annoy me too.  If you suck and chunked a ball and someone is waiting on you.. sorry but get the hell off the tee box and play your ball.  The fact that is wasn't a tournament is irrelevant.

It was the first hole.  Two off of the first tee is a custom practiced so widely that I personally don't think it's reasonable for someone to get upset about that.

Kevin

Titleist 910 D3 9.5* with ahina 72 X flex
Titleist 910F 13.5* with ahina 72 X flex
Adams Idea A12 Pro hybrid 18*; 23* with RIP S flex
Titleist 712 AP2 4-9 iron with KBS C-Taper, S+ flex
Titleist Vokey SM wedges 48*, 52*, 58*
Odyssey White Hot 2-ball mallet, center shaft, 34"

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

It was the first hole.  Two off of the first tee is a custom practiced so widely that I personally don't think it's reasonable for someone to get upset about that.

True. And honestly, I'd rather that they hit another one in the hope that it's much mo betta and speeds things along! ;-)

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw

Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
Ball: ProV1

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

If my group is bogging down, I often do the "play through on the fly" procedure you attempted. I think this is more efficient. Hindsight being 20/20, it would have been better to let them through on the first tee and get them out of your mind and way. David is right about not poking them, but with their attitude, i don't think I could have restrained myself either.

Don

In the bag:

Driver: PING 410 Plus 9 degrees, Alta CB55 S  Fairway: Callaway Rogue 3W PX Even Flow Blue 6.0; Hybrid: Titleist 818H1 21* PX Even Flow Blue 6.0;  Irons: Titleist 718 AP1 5-W2(53*) Shafts- TT AMT Red S300 ; Wedges Vokey SM8 56-10D Putter: Scotty Cameron 2016 Newport 2.5  Ball: Titleist AVX or 2021 ProV1

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I'm confused as to how somebody could be complaining about pace of play before the round starts. :doh: Did they have an earlier tee time and you cut in front of them?  Or did they just assume you'd play slow because you started off with bad drives?

I don't get it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Note: This thread is 3605 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-15%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope.
  • Posts

    • Hit my tee shot just into the penalty area and barely found it. Swung hard just in case I hit it. It was slightly downhill with a heavy tailwind. I don't actually hit my 9i 170 yards.
    • Right. The difference between being 120 out and 70 out for me (this is the important part) is negligible and not worth putting other risks into play off the tee.   Ok the argument against driver is that my shot cone is comically large. It puts every possible outcome into play. You can't see the green from the tee so there's a good chance I'd have to wait for it to clear which would slow down play. That's the third tee right in the middle of the firing range there. I really don't want to wait just to hit a terrible shot and I especially don't want to injure somebody. Yea I have no problem playing out of the rough short of the bunker if I'm just going to lay up short of the bunker, but I absolutely need to avoid flaring it right into the penalty area if I'm going to be laying up in the first place. As a general strategy I understand where you're coming from. But since we're specifically talking about me (this is a shot I'm going to have to hit on Saturday), I think the cost is fairly marginal. I hit the ball 8' closer on average from 50-100 than I do from 100-150 from the fairway and rough and the green success % difference is 4%. Bunker might as well be a penalty drop. Based on the data,  Here's my SG:A data compared to a 10: I honestly don't know how to use SG for decision making. That's why I was mostly looking at proximity to hole and green success rate for comparison. I mostly use SG as a way to track my progress. All good. Like I said, I appreciate the discussion. It makes me think. If I didn't want to see alternative/opposing viewpoints to my own I just wouldn't post anything. You should post it! In your own swing thread, of course. It's been a fun exercise.
    • Played my first 2024 round at Pierce Lake. Boomed my first drive down #10 fairway, then slowly slipped into mediocrity. 83 (69.6/131). The high point was going 2 of 4 on sand saves. My sand game is pretty marginal but today I must have discovered the secret for a couple hours.
    • day 34. Technique practice. Became too quick and outcome oriented. need to slow down and work on technique again. 
    • Day 534, April 18, 2024 Practice before lessons today. Priority piece. No sim this time. 🙂 
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...