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post #1 of 34
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Is this really bad form? We had a couple behind our foursome yesterday who started lecturing us on pace of play when we were teeing off. We had one guy who chunked his drive and went to hit again, this was not a tournament, it was a golf outing. So he played his first shot, but we all chunked a bunch of shots, and after the lady was so rude, we all made sure that we putted out every player, usually we will pick up when things get out of hand. We asked them if they wanted to play through on the next hole, but we hit while we were waiting for them to catch up, then waited for them. They just drove past us without even acknowledging us and drove on to the next hole. Their loss.  But should we have just waited there for them to catch up and hit before we hit? By approaching us already angry on the first tee, they kind of lost all of our sympathy, and we kind of rubbed their nose in some slow play one the first hole, but were we that wrong? If they were such fast players, I would think they would have caught up with us, as they made a big show of waiting for us to clear the green. We did wait a little while for them at the second tee before we hit, but finally we got impatient.

 

We went off on our tee time. I think the real problem was the course not spacing tee times having these guys right on top of us while we were still teeing off. Other than one guy going to hit a second shot, we had not made any unreasonable number of practice swings, like more than one or two, or committing any other obvious violations of decorum. 

 

Are we supposed to just sit and wait at the next hole however long it takes the group behind us to catch up, to let them play through? There was nobody ahead of us for several holes. Nobody else caught us.

post #2 of 34
Unless I'm having serious reading comprehension issues, it sounds like you're right here and they weren't being reasonable.

They were angry about pace of play, even though you were at your start time and weren't behind? It's one thing to be angry about pace of play if you were slow, but you hadn't played the first hole yet!

There was someone in my group on Friday that sounds like he could very well have been behind you in this round. He scheduled a tee time between 9 and 10 am at a muni course, and then proceeded to be upset -- yelled at the marshal at one point, which I felt was uncalled for -- because he wasn't going to be able to make his 2:00 meeting.

I don't think you needed to wait at the second tee. If anything, if they caught up when you were on a par-3 green, wave them up and encourage them to finish first if their tee shots are reasonable. That'll allow them to get through (assuming there's no one behind them that this will slow down).
post #3 of 34
There's nothing at all wrong with teeing off while you wait for them, then allowing them to go ahead. In fact, that will usually allow for a smoother transition.

It sounds like you were frustrated by their poor manners and reacted somewhat passive aggressively yourselves. That's where you went wrong though. Let them through, and get on with enjoying your own round. No need to poke someone who's already upset, for whatever reason.

Just out if curiosity, how long did your round take, with all that "chunking" going on?
post #4 of 34
Thread Starter 

About four and a half hours. We played best ball on the back nine, which sped it up a lot. We had good holes and bad holes. The first one was a bad hole. The guy who went to re-tee picked up pretty often as he had a pretty bad day. We probably did get a little passive aggressive on the first hole, but just a tip, maybe had they not started out with the anger, they would have enjoyed their afternoon more. As for us, we had a great time. I was just curious about hitting while waiting for them to play through.

post #5 of 34

Not to beat a dead horse, but so long as your group was keeping pace with the group you were following........there is no need to let anyone play through. 

post #6 of 34
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Originally Posted by Moppy View Post
 

Is this really bad form? We had a couple behind our foursome yesterday who started lecturing us on pace of play when we were teeing off. We had one guy who chunked his drive and went to hit again, this was not a tournament, it was a golf outing. So he played his first shot, but we all chunked a bunch of shots, and after the lady was so rude, we all made sure that we putted out every player, usually we will pick up when things get out of hand. We asked them if they wanted to play through on the next hole, but we hit while we were waiting for them to catch up, then waited for them. They just drove past us without even acknowledging us and drove on to the next hole. Their loss.  But should we have just waited there for them to catch up and hit before we hit? By approaching us already angry on the first tee, they kind of lost all of our sympathy, and we kind of rubbed their nose in some slow play one the first hole, but were we that wrong? If they were such fast players, I would think they would have caught up with us, as they made a big show of waiting for us to clear the green. We did wait a little while for them at the second tee before we hit, but finally we got impatient.

 

We went off on our tee time. I think the real problem was the course not spacing tee times having these guys right on top of us while we were still teeing off. Other than one guy going to hit a second shot, we had not made any unreasonable number of practice swings, like more than one or two, or committing any other obvious violations of decorum. 

 

Are we supposed to just sit and wait at the next hole however long it takes the group behind us to catch up, to let them play through? There was nobody ahead of us for several holes. Nobody else caught us.

 

Honestly, this would annoy me too.  If you suck and chunked a ball and someone is waiting on you.. sorry but get the hell off the tee box and play your ball.  The fact that is wasn't a tournament is irrelevant.

post #7 of 34
I would strongly agree with David FL above!
I would also suggest if a 4 ball was about to tee off on the first hole, and a 2 ball following was also at the tee box, I would have let the 2 ball go before me then, Rather than pause my game at a later hole! If you know your slow, accept it, and allow others to enjoy their game while you learn to pick up pace!
Once you let a few groups through on a round, you soon learn to pick up pace!
I play in a regular 3 ball, and I would say we're fast! Not particularly good! But still fast!
We very rarely need to let anyone through, but often get let through by others!
post #8 of 34
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Originally Posted by Hardballs View Post

I would strongly agree with David FL above!
I would also suggest if a 4 ball was about to tee off on the first hole, and a 2 ball following was also at the tee box, I would have let the 2 ball go before me then, Rather than pause my game at a later hole! If you know your slow, accept it, and allow others to enjoy their game while you learn to pick up pace!
Once you let a few groups through on a round, you soon learn to pick up pace!
I play in a regular 3 ball, and I would say we're fast! Not particularly good! But still fast!
We very rarely need to let anyone through, but often get let through by others!

Exactly what I was thinking.  

post #9 of 34
Thread Starter 

We are talking about the first tee here, going off on time, and they didn't even show up until we had already started to tee off. This was a total hair trigger thing. There was no line when we got there, and nobody caught up with us after we let them pass, though we did occasionally see the group behind us teeing off when we were on the green of a par four.

 

In retrospect, we should have let them play though even though we had already teed off, and after they did, let our guy hit his second shot. I just didn't know whether this was done or not. Not hitting the second shot I mean, this is a guy who took up the game last year at 59 and loves it more than it loves him, but letting someone play through after you have already hit.

post #10 of 34
Thread Starter 

The other thing is that this was a course in northern Vermont, in a little village, that is seldom crowded, if ever, not  a course on Long Island, for example, which is why there is no starter and they send you to the first tee as soon as you pay. We only had a tee time because we paid on GolfNow. Honestly, had they asked to go first, seeing there were four of us and two of them, we would have let them. But they weren't there when we started to tee off.

 

Lesson for me is let them play through even after we have hit. Lesson for you guys is to be polite and you will probably get what you want and enjoy your round more.

post #11 of 34

If someone started off right away lecturing about pace of play before the round even started it means they were more worried about getting done at a certain time than they were anything else. If that were the case they should have simply stated they were hoping to get done by a certain time and would it be ok if they played through. Starting off with an attitude is the worst way to get what you want. I imagine they may also have been regulars at that course. Also, the fact that you had enough time to wait, hit your shots, then wait some more before they even made it to you probably meant that you weren't going to be holding them up anyway.

post #12 of 34
But your also correct in that there is nothing wrong in teeing of, and then allowing a throughball, we've done this and others have done it to us, you can walk up fairway together, nice way of meeting people! Plus I'd rather watch someone else hit a ball than someone watching me!
post #13 of 34
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Originally Posted by Hardballs View Post

But your also correct in that there is nothing wrong in teeing of, and then allowing a throughball, we've done this and others have done it to us, you can walk up fairway together, nice way of meeting people! Plus I'd rather watch someone else hit a ball than someone watching me!


Totally agree, a lot of times, if someone is playing through they are on a cart and I'm walking, so they will get to their ball quicker than I can get to mine, so make sense to hit, let them hit and then all move out at the same time.

post #14 of 34
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Originally Posted by David in FL View Post

It sounds like you were frustrated by their poor manners and reacted somewhat passive aggressively yourselves. That's where you went wrong though. Let them through, and get on with enjoying your own round. No need to poke someone who's already upset, for whatever reason.

 

I honestly wish I could take that advice and react in precisely that manner in such situations. I'd be a better person for it, and probably much happier overall.

 

But, Lord help me, I just can't. I would've poked them, and then poked them again at the very next opportunity.

 

It's a character flaw, for sure. 

post #15 of 34
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Originally Posted by Strandly View Post
 

 

Honestly, this would annoy me too.  If you suck and chunked a ball and someone is waiting on you.. sorry but get the hell off the tee box and play your ball.  The fact that is wasn't a tournament is irrelevant.

 

It was the first hole.  Two off of the first tee is a custom practiced so widely that I personally don't think it's reasonable for someone to get upset about that.

post #16 of 34
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Originally Posted by k-troop View Post

It was the first hole.  Two off of the first tee is a custom practiced so widely that I personally don't think it's reasonable for someone to get upset about that.

True. And honestly, I'd rather that they hit another one in the hope that it's much mo betta and speeds things along! a2_wink.gif
post #17 of 34
If my group is bogging down, I often do the "play through on the fly" procedure you attempted. I think this is more efficient.

Hindsight being 20/20, it would have been better to let them through on the first tee and get them out of your mind and way. David is right about not poking them, but with their attitude, i don't think I could have restrained myself either.
post #18 of 34

I'm confused as to how somebody could be complaining about pace of play before the round starts. :doh:  Did they have an earlier tee time and you cut in front of them?  Or did they just assume you'd play slow because you started off with bad drives?

 

I don't get it.

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