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post #55 of 64
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Originally Posted by golf-noob-bruce View Post
 

 

Well, of course.

 

But in my (admittedly novice) experience the degree of difficulty between hitting a 5 and a 7 is a lot more pronounced than between a 7 and a 9, and I found it interesting that a really good player such as @GHIN0011458 mentioned something similar. If that were true one would expect a non linear relationship between dispersion and iron being used, so just wondering if the stats do show that.

 

Either that or my 6 and 5 irons hate me, which I could totally believe too. (Don't get me started on woods...)

Too many big words man. I just practice and it works out that way LOL. 

post #56 of 64

Here is average strokes to hole out from fairway for tour pros.  This is shotlink data from Every Shot Counts.   You can see having 140 in they are averaging more birdies that bogies... >180 and they are starting to loose strokes to par   

100 - 2.8

120 - 2.85

140 - 2.91

160 - 2.98

180 - 3.08

200 - 3.19

240 - 3.32

260 - 3.58

post #57 of 64
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Originally Posted by Rip24 View Post
 

Here is average strokes to hole out from fairway for tour pros.  This is shotlink data from Every Shot Counts.   You can see having 140 in they are averaging more birdies that bogies... >180 and they are starting to loose strokes to par   

100 - 2.8

120 - 2.85

140 - 2.91

160 - 2.98

180 - 3.08

200 - 3.19

240 - 3.32

260 - 3.58

This is what I was talking about. My difference between a 155 and 175 shot is much smaller than the difference between my 175 and my 195 shot

post #58 of 64
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Originally Posted by golf-noob-bruce View Post

 

But in my (admittedly novice) experience the degree of difficulty between hitting a 5 and a 7 is a lot more pronounced than between a 7 and a 9, and I found it interesting that a really good player such as @GHIN0011458 mentioned something similar. If that were true one would expect a non linear relationship between dispersion and iron being used, so just wondering if the stats do show that.

 

Either that or my 6 and 5 irons hate me, which I could totally believe too. (Don't get me started on woods...)

 

Many pros are using hybrids, instead of 2i, 3i, some even don't have a 4i. Of course the average pro hits (carry) their 6i and 5i 180 and 190 yards.

 

Check out the stats link GHIN posted. Here is the specific section you are concerned: http://www.pgatour.com/stats/categories.RAPP_INQ.html

 

Keep in mind that the 7i/6i is on average their 175 to 200 yard club, and they need to land with serious spin to hold their greens.

post #59 of 64
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Originally Posted by GHIN0011458 View Post
 

This is what I was talking about. My difference between a 155 and 175 shot is much smaller than the difference between my 175 and my 195 shot

 

The quoted numbers have them at 0.1 difference between 160 and 180, and 0.11 from 180 to 200. I don't know if that's "much" smaller… :-)

post #60 of 64
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Originally Posted by GHIN0011458 View Post

This is what I was talking about. My difference between a 155 and 175 shot is much smaller than the difference between my 175 and my 195 shot

I don't think you are interpreting this data correctly... This is average strokes to hole out data, not average dispersion. The difference between 160 and 200 yards to hole out is .21 strokes....ON JUST ONE HOLE! Play that way an entire round, 14 driving holes and you've lost 3 strokes! (2.94). Not a way for a tour pro to make a living giving 12 strokes to the field over a four day tournament
post #61 of 64
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Originally Posted by atxpkrgolf View Post


Looks like I found someone to play with 😃. (Denton) As far as gettin to scratch or plus I can't help ya cause Im in the same boat. a4_sad.gifa4_sad.gif

 

 

Shoot me a message with your contact info, I'm always looking for guys to play with. Had some minor shoulder surgery on Monday...hope to be back to hitting balls in a couple weeks.

post #62 of 64

In your experiment, do you move ALL your tee shots back (including those that are in the fairway), or just the tee shots that end up in the rough? 

 

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Originally Posted by Pretzel View Post
 

Alright, I have an experiment for you. On your next round out, take every drive you hit and move it back two to three clubs before hitting your approach shot, but move it into the center of the fairway each time. I guarantee that you will shoot a higher score than if you hit the ball from the rough with a shot two to three clubs shorter. Having a shorter club into the green (such as a pitching wedge) versus a longer club into the green (such as your 7-iron), even with a better lie, makes a MASSIVE difference. If you don't believe me, go do that experiment I told you to do and you'll realize what I mean.

I agree that I would much rather have a PW in rather than a 7i, but there is an advantage to being on the fairway at a lot of courses.  It seems the pros get it closer from 150-175 yards from the fairway than they do from 125-150 yards from the rough.  Same with other comparisons in the 100-200 yard range.  For a PGA pro, being on the fairway compared to the rough seems to be worth 30 yards or more.  Of course, there are a number of differences between the courses the pros play and what most of us play on an everyday basis, so while it can be useful to use PGA Tour data as a yard stick, there may be some differences as it applies to most amateurs.

 

 

To the OP- what is the biggest difference between your game and the games of those that you have played with that are better than you?  Distance off the tee, accuracy, consistency, short game, course management, putting???  If you haven't played with many scratch and + cappers, you should try to do so.

post #63 of 64
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Originally Posted by MEfree View Post
 

I agree that I would much rather have a PW in rather than a 7i, but there is an advantage to being on the fairway at a lot of courses.  It seems the pros get it closer from 150-175 yards from the fairway than they do from 125-150 yards from the rough.  Same with other comparisons in the 100-200 yard range.  For a PGA pro, being on the fairway compared to the rough seems to be worth 30 yards or more.

 

160 yards in the fairway: 2.98

140 yards in the rough: 3.15

 

Most golfers aren't playing courses with PGA Tour level rough, though. The gap gets much, much smaller. Plus some guys LIKE to play from the rough. It fluffs up their ball a little.

 

You should buy the book seen to the left of this post. :)

post #64 of 64
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post
 

 Plus some guys LIKE to play from the rough. It fluffs up their ball a little.

 

You should buy the book seen to the left of this post. :)

 

cant complain about getting your balls fluffed

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