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I have been dealing with an inside takeaway and an over the top move that has caused me to greatly consider giving up the game.

I have tried the box outside the right of the ball, by the way I never hit it. There are other tips I have tried to no help. Can anyone give me some help before I give up the game.

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I have been dealing with an inside takeaway and over the top move for a period of time. I have tried to correct based on info. from you tube to no success. This has become such a problem that golf is no longer fun for me to the point that I am considering giving up the game. Does anyone have any advice that will help solve the problem and keep me playing this great game that I have enjoyed in the past.

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I would post a video of your swing. If you have created a My Swing thread here is a guide,

http://thesandtrap.com/t/38240/my-swing-video-threads-rules-please-read

You can create your own My Swing thread here,

http://thesandtrap.com/f/4180/member-swings

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Pappy,

Don't head to the pawn shop just yet. If you will agree that the swing is a rotation and not a straight lie drawn between two points, then taking the club away inside is natural. Without "seeing" your swing, I can only surmise that if your move away from the ball at the start of your swing is too severe to the inside, then you leave yourself no way to "turn" back to the ball and then on to the target. In all swings, Yes, even Furyks', the club will return to the ball on the downswing from an inside path a bit shallower than the take away. Pay attention to your downswing and examine wheher or not your arms are in control versus your lower body? While teaching the game, I can't begin to tell you the number of golfers who do not allow the lower body to turn thru the downswing. Imagine throwing a bowling ball while dragging a leg!  My bet is that you do not turn the hips at a rate that keeps pace with the arms, causing a disconnection between the upper and lower half of your body. Is balance an issue? Watch tv this weekend and ask yourself if the Pros' look like they are just swinging with their arms.

Struggling golfers often question why the better player makes it look so easy. Mainly, it is because the better player uses both halves of his body and it looks in balance. Try lifting your fork from the plate tonight in a segmented motion...then do it normally and you'll feel an uninterrupted motion. Golf is hard Pappy, look at the utensil! Even though the only part of your body that touches the club is your hands, your hips/legs must direct their "path".

Remember, your lower body(hips/legs) must rotate. When you follow thru when hitting a shot, is your belt buckle facing the target? Keep at it, even after 39 years I haven't got it figured out.

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Pappy,

...I can't begin to tell you the number of golfers who do not allow the lower body to turn thru the downswing. Imagine throwing a bowling ball while dragging a leg!  My bet is that you do not turn the hips at a rate that keeps pace with the arms, causing a disconnection between the upper and lower half of your body.

Remember, your lower body(hips/legs) must rotate.

You should get on the practice range, try setting your hands at about 80% in your backswing, and start your downswing by firing hips first, followed by hands. By firing hips, I mean start rotating your hips square to the target... not sliding them toward the target.

Setting your hands shorter (or at least feeling like you do) will help prevent an "over the top" swing... but the key is to get the timing right with your hips. If your hips are square to the ball at impact, you will have to be over the top to get to the ball... so get those hips started first, and follow with your hands.

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A 12 handicap and you're thinking of quitting?  You are better than half the golfers who carry a handicap, and better than way more than half of the total number of golfers.  I have a friend who has been trying (including lessons) for at least 10 years and is still not even a bogey golfer.  That hasn't changed his passion for the game - he plays at least three 18 hole rounds a week.

I've battled with an over the top, out to in move for 40 years.  Some days are better than other, but that hasn't changed my love of golf.  If you love the game you won't quit.  If the passion isn't there, then I don't have an answer for you.

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I am convinced that the OTM happens in those of us who grew up playing baseball. We are used to hitting a ball in the center of the stick that we are holding. In golf, there is a little thing hanging off the end that needs to make contact with the ball. When we start the downswing, we do so with the same thought, but make an adjustment to avoid hitting a hosel rocket. Try this. Put a tee in the ground just inside of your golf ball (broken off tees laying around work great for this) and swing as if you are going to hit the tee. Give it a try. Hopefully it works.

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I am convinced that the OTM happens in those of us who grew up playing baseball. We are used to hitting a ball in the center of the stick that we are holding. In golf, there is a little thing hanging off the end that needs to make contact with the ball. When we start the downswing, we do so with the same thought, but make an adjustment to avoid hitting a hosel rocket. Try this. Put a tee in the ground just inside of your golf ball (broken off tees laying around work great for this) and swing as if you are going to hit the tee. Give it a try. Hopefully it works.


I sort of halfway agree with that. :-D

I don't agree there is any over the top in a (decent) baseball swing but there also isn't much of a "drop into the slot" either. There is simply no time for either in baseball.

To have any chance of hitting a fastball the first move of the bat is for the butt end of the bat to drive straight at the projected point of the ball. The bat, just prior to the butt end driving toward the strike zone, is dissecting the batter's head from the pitcher's view.

In golf that same formula creates a shaft plane halfway down that is pointed inside the golf ball (or steep) where a golfer would have laid off the shaft in line with the back forearm and have a shaft plane at or above the ball.

Then there's the off topic (for this thread) problem that impact happens in baseball with palm up/ palm down where the only way to make that work in golf is to have a super strong grip with both hands.

P.S. I have seen plenty of slow pitch softball players that "drop into the slot" quite nicely. Probably were all good golfers. ;-)

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I would post a video of your swing. If you have created a My Swing thread here is a guide,

http://thesandtrap.com/t/38240/my-swing-video-threads-rules-please-read

You can create your own My Swing thread here,

http://thesandtrap.com/f/4180/member-swings

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@pappy01 ,

A lot of players, including me, have to work on this problem.  No sense in giving up the game. I would recommend posting a video of your swing in the Member's Swings section.  There are plenty of members who have worked on this and several very good instructors as well.

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@pappy01 ,

A lot of players, including me, have to work on this problem.  No sense in giving up the game. I would recommend posting a video of your swing in the Member's Swings section.  There are plenty of members who have worked on this and several very good instructors as well.

Agreed. If we all gave up because we come OTT this site would be a ghost town!

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This should probably be merged:

http://thesandtrap.com/t/75036/frustrated#post_1000075

@pappy01 , try to resist the urge to start the same thread twice in one day. :-P

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I sort of halfway agree with that.

I don't agree there is any over the top in a (decent) baseball swing but there also isn't much of a "drop into the slot" either. There is simply no time for either in baseball.

To have any chance of hitting a fastball the first move of the bat is for the butt end of the bat to drive straight at the projected point of the ball. The bat, just prior to the butt end driving toward the strike zone, is dissecting the batter's head from the pitcher's view.

In golf that same formula creates a shaft plane halfway down that is pointed inside the golf ball (or steep) where a golfer would have laid off the shaft in line with the back forearm and have a shaft plane at or above the ball.

Then there's the off topic (for this thread) problem that impact happens in baseball with palm up/ palm down where the only way to make that work in golf is to have a super strong grip with both hands.

P.S. I have seen plenty of slow pitch softball players that "drop into the slot" quite nicely. Probably were all good golfers.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :-P

There's definitely a different plane involved in baseball/softball than in golf, but in the end, contact is made, or at least attempted, by the center of the bat to the center of the ball. If a baseball bat was shaped like golf club (wouldn't that be interesting to watch), the batter would have to swing underneath the ball to make solid contact with the "meat" of the bat. This same swing would work if the hosel was centered on the sweetspot of the club. At any rate, my advice is certainly worth what anyone pays for it. ;-)

Definitely agree that starting a My Swing thread would be most beneficial.

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Replied on your swing thread @pappy01

http://thesandtrap.com/t/74794/my-swing-pappy01#post_1000198

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Pappy,

Don't head to the pawn shop just yet. If you will agree that the swing is a rotation and not a straight lie drawn between two points, then taking the club away inside is natural. Without "seeing" your swing, I can only surmise that if your move away from the ball at the start of your swing is too severe to the inside, then you leave yourself no way to "turn" back to the ball and then on to the target. In all swings, Yes, even Furyks', the club will return to the ball on the downswing from an inside path a bit shallower than the take away. Pay attention to your downswing and examine wheher or not your arms are in control versus your lower body? While teaching the game, I can't begin to tell you the number of golfers who do not allow the lower body to turn thru the downswing. Imagine throwing a bowling ball while dragging a leg!  My bet is that you do not turn the hips at a rate that keeps pace with the arms, causing a disconnection between the upper and lower half of your body. Is balance an issue? Watch tv this weekend and ask yourself if the Pros' look like they are just swinging with their arms.

Struggling golfers often question why the better player makes it look so easy. Mainly, it is because the better player uses both halves of his body and it looks in balance. Try lifting your fork from the plate tonight in a segmented motion...then do it normally and you'll feel an uninterrupted motion. Golf is hard Pappy, look at the utensil! Even though the only part of your body that touches the club is your hands, your hips/legs must direct their "path".

Remember, your lower body(hips/legs) must rotate. When you follow thru when hitting a shot, is your belt buckle facing the target? Keep at it, even after 39 years I haven't got it figured out.

This is great advice. I've dealt with the same issue and for me, it's all about trial and error accompanied with reading anything I can get my hands on (including the internet). This is only my 2nd year ever playing golf in my life, but I've played baseball for a good portion of my life, which is what I attribute my power to. Anyway, this advice is right on track with what I've seen other places, and experienced success with myself. I've battled a steep swing that can still rear its ugly head from time to time.

I'm left handed, but the principle still applies. I've tried a lot of different things and stick with what works. For me, it was casting a bit away from my body on the back swing, focusing on coming down from the inside. I thought to myself, "I probably look like Furyk right now, but who cares? It's working."

The funny thing is, though, when I looked at my back swing in the mirror, it was exactly how it should've looked. This proved to me that my perception isn't always accurate. And since you can't overload your mind with things before you swing, I keep it to usually 2 things before I start my back swing.

1.) Keep posture

2.) Finish high (hands of course)

That's usually what it is, but since some days are better than others, I may replace one or both of them with "Keep your bottom arm straight," or "Drive the ball into the opposite field gap."

I promise you, that will work. I'm a 23 handicap, but that's because my short game is atrocious. Keep it simple, brother.

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