Originally Posted by dsc123
Easy--How many times have you played golf on a Tuesday morning? How many times have you played on a Saturday morning? Would you see losing Sat morning and gaining tue morning as a fair trade-off?
Its separate and unequal. Women are excluded from a convenient and popular time so men can save 5 minutes on their round, and in exchange are given an inconvenient and unpopular time. If it were men only wed mornings and women only tue mornings, that would be different.
Still, its a private club and everybody knows about it, no laws are broken, yada yada. (Kudos to everyone here for not letting this thread devolve into that!) But it is discriminatory--you're treating one group better than another based on gender. Its reasonable for people to disagree with the policy. Its also reasonable to think its ok, even if discriminatory. It doesn't make you a bad person.
But the whole "calm down" and "relax" and "stop whining" response of some on here is dismissive and a poor excuse for debate. Its not like people are storming the gates to protest these policies. Dismissing them as overreacting simply because they took 5 minutes to write a response on here is simply a weak attempt to discredit the person.
The 'calm down' and 'relax' comments were probably a bit much, I agree, but they came because when I hear things like "women are given an inconvenient and unpopular time" it leads me to believe that people are forgetting that it's a country club with a small-ish amount of members and everybody is allowed to play all of the time the rest of the week. It's not like women are being relegated to only this tiny window on Tuesday mornings. That just happens to be the one time that men CAN'T play. That's it. So, yes, I play golf less often on Tuesday morning than I do on Saturday morning, but I play less golf on Saturday morning than I do on Saturday afternoon, Sunday morning, Sunday afternoon, before work Friday morning and Thursday afternoon. See what I'm saying?
Secondly, when you say "would you see losing Saturday morning ..." it also makes me want to remind you that there are no people who had anything taken away from them. They voluntarily joined a private club knowing the rules before they did. So, if anything, you'd have to say that they "gave away" their Saturday mornings.
Lastly, and most importantly, I decided to ask my brother for more info since it's his club and not mine. And ...
Bet that changes things a bit for some of you guys, eh??