Originally Posted by MS256
There could be benefit beyond the obvious 15% if it attracts one or more members of a family out shopping. I know anytime our family ever went shopping when we got to the store we all went our separate ways to the departments we were interested in. I might or might not buy an item or two but could pretty much bet the rest of the family was going to have a shopping cart full when we met back up at the cash register.
Take away one of those departments and maybe the family chooses another store to shop.
This is a good reason we go to Dick's.
Originally Posted by David in FL
It's a shame there aren't any of those
out there these days......
Is a commentary on older perceptions of youth? There are plenty of charismatic younger people, they just don't play golf. The only young popular person who plays that I know of is Justin Timberlake.
Originally Posted by Gunther
Ok, I'm with you on points 1 and 3 but diversity? You mean white kids choose to play hoops because they might meet some black kids? Don't think so. Now, would it be nice if there were more diversity, sure, but I don't believe that's a factor in what a kid gravitates towards.
And, depending on where you play, you can have all kinds of diversity. There's a Thursday/Saturday group that plays at Cedar Crest in Dallas. I play with them from time to time. About 30 guys and my buddy, me and 2 others are the only white guys. I enjoy those rounds and usually get my ass kicked.
Originally Posted by tye203
When I say diversity it's not just black and white it's through all social classes. Make the game accessible to as many people as possible and you will grow the sport.
I think if golf courses are filled with more types of people, it would indicate that more types of people are welcome. Where I play, I meet all kinds of people on the "Open to Public" courses. The private courses are pretty homogenous, and it does not look like the type of place that welcomes everyone, which they don't. Many younger people tend to gravitate towards places where everyone is "welcome" or even if it only appears that way from seeing a diversity of people.
My aunt has lived in the UK for quite some time, and has the general feeling that everyone can play golf there. The reason is because most of the people she knows plays. Her perception (right or wrong) is that in the Unites States it is a richer persons sport.
If you go to Asia that perception would probably be even more reinforced that golf is only for the wealthy. This is, in fact, why so many Asian immigrants to the United States are playing golf here. It is perceived as a rich man's sport in Asia, and given the opportunity to play here, they do.
Most people do not perceive golf to be what it is. Good exercise and a nice walk through a park like setting.
If they make it such that families are welcome onto the course, and provide a sufficient enough discount for families, then many more people would go onto the course. Basically, any families can treat it as a relaxing outing where finishing the entire round and scoring is not the main objective. Picnics on the course would be more commonplace.
The main objective would be a fun day out for the family.
Pace of play is going to be an issue when you let families onto the course, but it would definitely attract more people.
Originally Posted by Gunther
Mmm, that kind of leaks into your first point on affordability. There's tons of diversity in golf in Dallas, and I suspect most cities. Just depends where you play. For some reason, however, that diversity doesn't translate to the pro tours.
If Tiger couldn't crack that nut, I'm not sure it can be fixed. The First Tee seems to be helping although not to any obvious degree yet. Perhaps in time...
It's working pretty well in our area with over 2000 kids playing golf as a result of this program. Families follow, but like many said it's not affordable.
Actually, this entire topic should probably be moved to the "Golf in Decline" thread.