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post #37 of 266
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Originally Posted by David in FL View Post


And Steinmart! c2_beer.gif

Complaining that golf equipment is too expensive because some drivers cost $400 is like complaining that cars are too expensive because a Mercedes S600 costs $200k.

I can buy a very serviceable car for $5k, and can build a very serviceable set of clubs for a few hundred dollars. Too many people confuse what they want with what they need.

 

Well, by that logic, how many of us need to play golf? ;-)

post #38 of 266
I do.
post #39 of 266
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Originally Posted by RFKFREAK View Post

Well, by that logic, how many of us need to play golf? a2_wink.gif

But you need clubs in order to play golf, and the discussion was about the supposed high cost of playing golf.....
post #40 of 266
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Originally Posted by David in FL View Post


But you need clubs in order to play golf, and the discussion was about the supposed high cost of playing golf.....

 

Right, but unless you're playing for a living, you don't need to play golf.

 

I'm just messing around and being difficult b/c you compared want vs. need.

 

I wasn't being serious - hence the ";-)."

post #41 of 266
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Originally Posted by David in FL View Post


But you need clubs in order to play golf, and the discussion was about the supposed high cost of playing golf.....

 

You mean you can still play golf if you don't buy the latest and greatest equipment every six months? :-D

post #42 of 266

From a loss of jobs perspective, obviously this is sad news.

 

But it seems like an experiment that simply didn't work out - golf pros in a retail sporting goods store. 

 

When I think of a golf pro, I think of the guy at the club giving lessons & running the pro shop; not working at Dick's. In a way, it almost seems undignified for the pro to work in that environment. 

post #43 of 266
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Originally Posted by Aguirre View Post

Definitely.

I mean, I'm not going to buy a new driver every year.  So buying a one year old model for $100 or $150 is not cheating my game.  Same with buying ProV1s from the found/used bucket at Martin's in Myrtle every year (although I admit I get a lot of free golf balls and ProV1s through my job).  

I do feel for golfers who are in certain markets, however.  Green fees vary widely.  I do the vast majority of my golfing in western PA and Myrtle Beach, where the prices are terrific and the courses are high value.  
I'm right there with you in terms of buying 2nd hand, going to Steinmart or TJ Maxx for shirts, etc. I think most golfers have figured this out. Unfortunately, this behavior is what leads to the Dick's situation. Not sure what the solution is except the very generic "manufacturers should drop their prices from the start." This, of course, is much more complex than that.
post #44 of 266

This stinks. Seems like everything is closing these days. Sign of the times I suppose. I'll have to check in with my local store to see if the guy that adjusts my clubs is still there. :-(

post #45 of 266
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Originally Posted by WUTiger View Post

I hope I didn't contribute to this by getting my Callaway X20 Tours reshafted instead of buying new irons.

As suggested, the arms race between Callaway and TaylorMade could hurt the standing of both with retailers. TM, with perpetual wave of new products, had winter double whammy of supply chain problems and merchandise glut. Here's a May article on the golf slump:
[URL=http://http//www.oregonlive.com/playbooks-profits/index.ssf/2014/05/post_38.html]http://http://www.oregonlive.com/playbooks-profits/index.ssf/2014/05/post_38.html[/URL]

Adidas and its TaylorMade division had a variety of spring problems:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303417104579544981225919024 

Talked to a Callaway official a few weeks ago, and he say his company was moving to stretch the product cycle.

As someone observing from the sidelines, it's interesting how things have shaken out the last two years:

Dick's bought Galaxy in 2007, but kept GG as a separate operation. Idea: Operate two sources of golf equipment out of the same supply chain. The Dick's golf sections I saw in different states never matched up to the GG operations. (I purposely went to Dick's and GG's when I traveled).

Dick's golf sections sometimes had ardent and well-meaning golfers as player's reps, but not very well trained: I usually knew more about the new gear than they did. Other times Dick's had a guy on loan from the baseball/softball section working the floor. The most memorable in-store PGA pro was a little overbearing, with a "shut up and buy SGI" attitude.

Dick's seemed to have more in-stock variety in drivers and FWs than in irons - most of the on-shelf irons seemed to be SGIs and legacy models. (Legacy = reissued prior models w/ often Uniflex shafts, such as Callaway XHot.N14 and TM Burner 2.0).

Galaxy had wider selection of clubs, and more knowledgeable personnel.

New ripple: Sports Authority - local store for years had 40' x 40' node with golf clubs - mostly SGI and boxed sets, majority of bags stacked 16 feet high in wall racks, and an 8 x 12 hitting bay (no electronics). Now, the store moved, and the new site has a golf section with more floor space than your average Dick's golf area. No hitting bay yet, but selection now equals what you would find at Dick's.

Have any of you seen Sports Authority expansion in your area?

Back to the in-store pros. As a former caddie, it bums me out to hear all those guys and gals are out of work.

Our local Sports Authority had the opposite. The golf section went from being the first thing you see when you walk in to, after a total remodel of the store, buried in the far, far back corner. They eliminated the hitting bay, putting green, and severely curtailed new inventory. They went from having kiosks for every new driver model to none, and they're displaying 4 year old irons, with limited current gen selection. I don't think it's a coincidence that there's a Golfsmith 5 minutes away and a Dick's opened in between those two within the last year and a half.
post #46 of 266

Not that I can afford to shop in any of these places, but we just had a Golfsmith open right across the street from the Dick's. I'm blanking on the name of it, but another golf-only store opened about 15 minutes south as well. 

 

Maybe Dick's is simply conceding that part of the market to those guys.

post #47 of 266

I'm just getting back into golf this year. I was not aware that Dick's had PGA pros working for them and I sincerely hope that the pros released are able to find gainful employment.

 

I hadn't been in a Dick's Sporting Goods for a while... I have been avoiding them due to other reasons not stemming from golf.

 

There's a Sports Authority opening down the street from the nearest to me Dick's Sporting Goods so that probably doesn't bode well for that location (I've never been inside a Sports Authority so I don't know whether they have the same products or different...) It probably doesn't help that a Golfsmith opened earlier this year as well.

 

I wasn't too impressed with the selection of left handed clubs that Dick's had the last time I looked but honestly that was a few years ago... my recent golf purchases have been from Golfsmith and the internet. (It's not easy finding left handed clubs, and even more difficult finding lefty clubs that are used)

post #48 of 266
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Originally Posted by mcanadiens View Post
 

Not that I can afford to shop in any of these places, but we just had a Golfsmith open right across the street from the Dick's. I'm blanking on the name of it, but another golf-only store opened about 15 minutes south as well. 

 

Maybe Dick's is simply conceding that part of the market to those guys.

 

 I hope you can remember the name. I would like to check that out. ;-)

 

The thought ocured to me that getting rid of your in store golf pro is counter productive. If you're going to purchase a bag of tees, etc. you really don't need the help of a pro, but if you're buying a driver or irons, you need someone that knows what they are doing to adjust it correctly and find you the best shaft.

post #49 of 266

Our area is saturated with golf stores. We have 2 "mom n' pop" golf shops that are owned, operated and solo-staffed by 2 PGA professionals. Then, 10 miles in the opposite direction we have Dick's, Golfsmith and Golf Galaxy. The GS and GG are literally across the street from one another as GS just opened up like less than 2 months ago. This is another problem in my opinion. I don't think we need to have 4 shops within a 10 miles radius.

I, like many others, never knew Dick's employed PGA Professionals so Dick's clearly had no advertising or marketing budget invested into making that a known fact. If you go to GS or GG's website, you'll clearly see a list of each certified PGA Professional with a picture of them - per location. Dick's couldn't even market the fact that they at least employ PGA Pros at their store, so that's a major fail by Dick's in my opinion.

Whenever I did go into a Dick's Sporting Goods store, the golf section was always empty with maybe one person holding a driver and browsing. On the other hand, GS and GG are absolutely packed on Friday evenings and the weekend. 

Good luck to everyone affected. I hope you find something more enjoyable, more secure and more rewarding as soon as possible gentlemen. :beer:

post #50 of 266

@CarlSpackler 

 

Well ... there is a Golf Galaxy across the street from the Dayton Mall.

 

I was almost sure there was a golf store of some kind at The Greene, but on closer inspection I was wrong about that. I try to avoid that area, so maybe my information was dated. 

post #51 of 266

I wish they'd better marketed the fact that the guys in store were PGA Pros. I honestly had no idea.

 

I have a rule of thumb when it comes to golf equipment: if I need expert knowledge, I shop at the course Pro-Shop; if I am looking for deals, I buy online. Because of this, the likes of Dick's always passed me by.

post #52 of 266
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Originally Posted by mcanadiens View Post
 

@CarlSpackler 

 

Well ... there is a Golf Galaxy across the street from the Dayton Mall.

 

I was almost sure there was a golf store of some kind at The Greene, but on closer inspection I was wrong about that. I try to avoid that area, so maybe my information was dated. 


Rats! I thought there was a new golf store I didn't know about. :-)

post #53 of 266
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Originally Posted by inthehole View Post
 

Sorry for the pga guys losing their jobs - nothing good to say about that in this economy.  

 

However, this is aimed at the industry, and Dicks by default.    Golf equipment just costs too much.     To charge $399 for a SLDR driver that's mass produced by the thousands (probably tens of thousands) in China is ridiculous in this economy.     If they charged $159 for a new driver, I would have to think hard about buying one.    It's reverting to a rich man's sport.     That's why most everyone waits a year or two to buy equipment at 1/4 the original cost online or on eBay.     Golfnow has gone to $hit - so much harder to find tee time deals than it was even last year. 

 

If the retail industry wants to maintain a working class golf representation and put assess in seats so to speak, they simply must bring prices down.

Well said ^...  I agree on the price of equipment etc. etc. Golf supplies in general are way over priced.  Hopefully this will be a plus for us in the future.  Supply vs demand (lower prices ?)

 

WWR

post #54 of 266
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Originally Posted by billchao View Post

That sucks. I stop in at the Dick's by me every now and then to try new equipment, and the pro there has always been pretty helpful. Seemed a bit over extended at times, though.

Honestly the selection is pretty limited at Dick's. When I'm serious about making an equipment purchase and need to compare clubs, I'll drive the 5 extra miles to Golf Galaxy or Golfsmith.

I guess the pro there really made the experience worth it for me. I guess I'll just skip Dick's from now on.

Well hell, if everybody just went to pick the pro's brain, have them help you out, then go buy clubs somewhere else, what did we expect would happen.

Dick's can't pay them to be charity instructors to sell equipment to the competition.  That doesn't give them any return on their investment.

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