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post #37 of 44
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If I might ask another question, do you know anything abut how they do the course rating and slope computations for the course?  Have they come up with their own methodology or do they use the USGA process?  It seems to me that even if the algorithm for computing the handicap were to be the same, if the CR and slopes are determined using a different process than the USGA process there would still be the potential for a systematic difference in the handicaps.

 

EGA uses USGA course rating practices so the CR and slope are comparable.

 

For interest EGA HC manual gives following conversions,:

 

CONGU -> EGA, (124 is approximate average slope of CONGU courses, i.e. end result is only an approximation)

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EGA EXACT HCP = CONGU ® EXACT HCP x 113 / 124

USGA -> EGA (same rating system)

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EGA EXACT HCP = USGA INDEX

 

So UK person playing in US should multiply his HCI by 0.91 and then calculate playing handicap (course handicap).

 

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For a higher handicap player, this means he can shoot 46 Stableford points on a good day and have his handicap drop by 0.5*10 = 5 points. Two of those rounds, and he'll go from 36 to 26. The following 5 rounds can be in the 20's and his handicap goes up 0.5 total.

 

I find the US system of the average of the 10 of your last 20 far better. That way, your handicap is based on averages and includes 20 rounds. Here, you can have on exceptionally great round that drops your handicap. I've played with many in the 20's handicap that struggle with it. They shoot 2-3 good rounds and drop significantly in handicap. Then they get their bad and regular rounds, and struggle shooting 36 for months. It also takes a while to get the handicap back up, since it only goes up by 0.1 each round.

 

To my understanding Norway uses EGA like rest of the continental Europe. I understand that the rise of HC is bit slow, but you are not supposed to be shooting 36 points (i.e. to your handiacp) every round. Only every 1/4 or 1/5 rounds.

 

And your example of 36 handicap shooting 46 twice (roughly 10 under each round), displays either exceptional potential or something iffy. And the HC system reacts quite well to that.

 

Bigger problem is CBA (in competitions) and it's implementation. At the moment it may cause unnecessary adjustments in HC based on daily scoring conditions.

post #38 of 44
There is not a big difference between USGA handicaps and EGA handicaps for people who play a lot of rounds that qualify for their handicap. That is for someone who fills in his scorecard correctly. I have a USGA hcp of 9.5 and a EGA hcp of 9.7. Two years ago it was 13.x against 13.y.

But I also play a lot of rounds just for fun on courses I never played before. Most of the times these rounds are somewhere in the high twenties....
post #39 of 44

What good are these handicap systems when people are not accurately using them?   It's my first year with official US GHIN HI & club tournaments and I see too many flaws, and abuses.   The main one being that members can enter any scores without check and balances.   It's an honor system and not all of the members have honorable intention ;-).   A case in point (or not),  a 4 HI golfer in our club has won 2 tournaments and placed in 2nd for 5 tournaments he entered so far.  I can't say for sure if he is a sandbagger but it is rather unusual.   A beginner who is rapidly improving can win a few tournaments but a 4 HI capper?

post #40 of 44
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What good are these handicap systems when people are not accurately using them?   It's my first year with official US GHIN HI & club tournaments and I see too many flaws, and abuses.   The main one being that members can enter any scores without check and balances.   It's an honor system and not all of the members have honorable intention ;-).   A case in point (or not),  a 4 HI golfer in our club has won 2 tournaments and placed in 2nd for 5 tournaments he entered so far.  I can't say for sure if he is a sandbagger but it is rather unusual.   A beginner who is rapidly improving can win a few tournaments but a 4 HI capper?

 

4 HI golfer is not that bad club golfer and depending on tournament I can believe he can win them as he is capable of shooting around par. Were the tournaments flighted or net or gross etc, this also affects the odds.

 

If 4 HI shoots close to par in 7 tournaments, his HC will start to move quite soon.

 

And in the end, why steady 4 HC could not win tournaments? That is why there is HC in the first place. Or perhaps I missed the irony.

post #41 of 44
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What good are these handicap systems when people are not accurately using them?   It's my first year with official US GHIN HI & club tournaments and I see too many flaws, and abuses.   The main one being that members can enter any scores without check and balances.   It's an honor system and not all of the members have honorable intention ;-).   A case in point (or not),  a 4 HI golfer in our club has won 2 tournaments and placed in 2nd for 5 tournaments he entered so far.  I can't say for sure if he is a sandbagger but it is rather unusual.   A beginner who is rapidly improving can win a few tournaments but a 4 HI capper?

 

4 HI golfer is not that bad club golfer and depending on tournament I can believe he can win them as he is capable of shooting around par. Were the tournaments flighted or net or gross etc, this also affects the odds.

 

If 4 HI shoots close to par in 7 tournaments, his HC will start to move quite soon.

 

And in the end, why steady 4 HC could not win tournaments? That is why there is HC in the first place. Or perhaps I missed the irony.

 

All tournaments are played at 100% handicap & net.  For him to win, he had to score in low or mid 60s, net.   

post #42 of 44
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All tournaments are played at 100% handicap & net.  For him to win, he had to score in low or mid 60s, net.   

I bet anyone winning that tournament had to score same, net...

post #43 of 44
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All tournaments are played at 100% handicap & net.  For him to win, he had to score in low or mid 60s, net.   

I bet anyone winning that tournament had to score same, net...

True.  66 won it in the last tournament.   For this guy to win 3 out of 5 tournaments, he must be on a roll, fast improving, or both.  If he keeps it up, the club handicap committee should take a closer look at his official HI vs his true level.   That's their job and have done it at least once with another golfer.

post #44 of 44
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Originally Posted by Chanceman View Post
 

Interesting. In Australia we use a kind of hybrid system. The US system applies with best 8 from last 20 rounds and we tend to play a lot of competitions as in the UK. Personally I can play 2 or 3 stableford comps each week if I wanted to. This keeps me honest because I play with the same group of people mainly and we all know each others capabilities. We used to have the old system like in Norway where playing 10 shots below your handicap meant a 5 shot drop next time you play. But this averaging obviously gives a steadier result closer to your average than your best.

 

Correction:  In the US, handicap index is based on the lowest 10 differentials of your last 20 returned scores, not 8.

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