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post #325 of 455
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Originally Posted by 14ledo81 View Post
 

 

I agree with this here.  

 

As @Ernest Jones said earlier in this thread (or the other one), "but for the grace of God, there go I"....

It's "There but for the grace of God, go I.", but close enough for horseshoes and hand grenades. 

 

I have no problem acknowledging that DJ made some dumb life choices that led him to where he is today, but I'm disgusted by the relish and zeal with which some posters are laying on the condemnation. For the most part I'm done with this thread though, I don't foresee a lot of "minds" getting changed so what's the point, just a big pissing contest at this point and I'm wearing my good pants so I'll pass.

 

 

 

P.S. C'mon @turtleback , the one about the "lines on TMs new drivers" was gold!

post #326 of 455
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Originally Posted by Golfingdad View Post

I realize that they're not your words and you're just parrotting the choice given, but I would just like to point out that it's possible to believe in personal responsibility and acknowledge that he made a lot of bad choices, yet at the same time still have some sympathy for the guy and his family and root for him to recover.

I like your stance on it Golfingdad, but I just dont have any sympathy for the guy. I feel for his family and those closest to him sure. I root for Erik Compton to recover, I also root for Jarrod Lyle to recover. It would be nice if DJ got his s__t together but Im not "rooting" for him or against him.

He did it to himself.
post #327 of 455
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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones View Post
 

It's "There but for the grace of God, go I.", but close enough for horseshoes and hand grenades. 

 

I have no problem acknowledging that DJ made some dumb life choices that led him to where he is today, but I'm disgusted by the relish and zeal with which some posters are laying on the condemnation. For the most part I'm done with this thread though, I don't foresee a lot of "minds" getting changed so what's the point, just a big pissing contest at this point and I'm wearing my good pants so I'll pass.

 

 

 

P.S. C'mon @turtleback , the one about the "lines on TMs new drivers" was gold!

I don't agree that quote goes well with this situation. A personal choice that resulted in addiction is not the same as being afflicted by something through no choice of your own. I'm glad he's getting help, so it's not that I have ill will towards him. It's much better than people who have addiction issues but continue along their destructive path willingly and without regard to anyone they hurt along the way.

post #328 of 455

A lot of sinless people on here throwing the first stone. Keep on keeping on you flawless wonders!

post #329 of 455
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Originally Posted by Jeremie Boop View Post
 

I don't agree that quote goes well with this situation. A personal choice that resulted in addiction is not the same as being afflicted by something through no choice of your own. I'm glad he's getting help, so it's not that I have ill will towards him. It's much better than people who have addiction issues but continue along their destructive path willingly and without regard to anyone they hurt along the way.

Then we don't have the same understanding of the quote

post #330 of 455
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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones View Post
 

Then we don't have the same understanding of the quote

I guess not, because that quote interprets to me as:

 

 

"by the grace of God that car that ran the red light didn't kill me"

 

not as 

 

"by the grace of God I didn't do that line of coke and become an addict"

 

 

 

But I do concede that not all people have the same idea of what quotes can mean.

post #331 of 455
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Originally Posted by skydog View Post

A lot of sinless people on here throwing the first stone. Keep on keeping on you flawless wonders!
If I cheat on my wife three times and as she's walking out the door with my kids I'll refer back to this post. I love my wife and kids so I dont cheat. I dont wanna become a drug addict and ruin my life so I dont use drugs..........simple.
post #332 of 455
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Originally Posted by Jeremie Boop View Post
 

I guess not, because that quote interprets to me as:

 

 

"by the grace of God that car that ran the red light didn't kill me"

 

not as 

 

"by the grace of God I didn't do that line of coke and become an addict"

 

 

 

But I do concede that not all people have the same idea of what quotes can mean.

I see that proverb as being far more applicable in the second instance where we are talking about the history of a life and all the little events and decisions that piled up upon themselves like stepping stones leading up to the persons current state. 

 

I don't think it's really meant to apply to a single instance incident like someone being struck and killed by a car.

post #333 of 455
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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones View Post
 

I see that proverb as being far more applicable in the second instance where we are talking about the history of a life and all the little events and decisions that piled up upon themselves like stepping stones leading up to the persons current state. 

 

I don't think it's really meant to apply to a single instance incident like someone being struck and killed by a car.

Yep, we won't agree on each other's interpretations of the quote.

post #334 of 455
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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Jeremie Boop View Post
 

I guess not, because that quote interprets to me as:

 

 

"by the grace of God that car that ran the red light didn't kill me"

 

not as 

 

"by the grace of God I didn't do that line of coke and become an addict"

 

 

 

But I do concede that not all people have the same idea of what quotes can mean.

I see that proverb as being far more applicable in the second instance where we are talking about the history of a life and all the little events and decisions that piled up upon themselves like stepping stones leading up to the persons current state. 

 

I don't think it's really meant to apply to a single instance incident like someone being struck and killed by a car.

 

FWIW, I agree with EJ's interpretation here.  

post #335 of 455
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Originally Posted by Jeremie Boop View Post
 

Yep, we won't agree on each other's interpretations of the quote.

Well then I guess we'll have to stick to talking about golf, cars and tunes.

B-)

post #336 of 455
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Originally Posted by RonTheSavage View Post


If I cheat on my wife three times and as she's walking out the door with my kids I'll refer back to this post. I love my wife and kids so I dont cheat. I dont wanna become a drug addict and ruin my life so I dont use drugs..........simple

 

Cheating on your wife or not,  my point is you  (and all of us) are still far from sinless. We all make mistakes- just some of them are more public than others. As far as I know, Dustin hasn't hurt anyone but himself with his demons so I'm more than willing to forgive him and pray that he gets help and a second chance.

post #337 of 455
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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones View Post
 

I see that proverb as being far more applicable in the second instance where we are talking about the history of a life and all the little events and decisions that piled up upon themselves like stepping stones leading up to the persons current state. 

 

I don't think it's really meant to apply to a single instance incident like someone being struck and killed by a car.

 

 

I take it to apply to both. To me it is a persons recognition that they are better off only by the Grace of God. So it is a phrasing that speaks of humility. So in that way it could mean in a particular lucky instance, or the sum of a person's life compared to someone else's.  

post #338 of 455
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Originally Posted by skydog View Post

Cheating on your wife or not,  my point is you  (and all of us) are still far from sinless. We all make mistakes- just some of them are more public than others. As far as I know, Dustin hasn't hurt anyone but himself with his demons so I'm more than willing to forgive him and pray that he gets help and a second chance.

Well he did hurt the two husbands/coworkers when he slept with their wives! Also, it seems to me like unless you are of the opinion that everything is hunky dory and we are all good inside then you are an un-sympathetic jerk.. Which isn't the case really..

We all have opinions and standards we measure our selves and others.. For example, if my kid ever liked golf and he watched sports I would tell him don't ever be like that guy who does drugs and sleeps around.. Nothing against him as a person, just have an opinion of him and his actions!

Why do I need to have sympathy for the guy? Because he got caught? So now that he has his back on the wall he wants to do the right thing? Well, good for him and good luck to him and I really hope he figures it out what ever it is.. I just don't FEEL bad for him! Sorry!
post #339 of 455
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Originally Posted by Abu3baid View Post

Well he did hurt the two husbands/coworkers when he slept with their wives! Also, it seems to me like unless you are of the opinion that everything is hunky dory and we are all good inside then you are an un-sympathetic jerk.. Which isn't the case really..

We all have opinions and standards we measure our selves and others.. For example, if my kid ever liked golf and he watched sports I would tell him don't ever be like that guy who does drugs and sleeps around.. Nothing against him as a person, just have an opinion of him and his actions!

Why do I need to have sympathy for the guy? Because he got caught? So now that he has his back on the wall he wants to do the right thing? Well, good for him and good luck to him and I really hope he figures it out what ever it is.. I just don't FEEL bad for him! Sorry!

Good point, apparently he failed 3 tests and NOW he wants to get help and blah blah blah..........The Drunk Driver is only sorry AFTER he gets the DUI.
post #340 of 455

I guess im lucky to be perfect and have no flaws.

post #341 of 455
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Originally Posted by Abu3baid View Post


Well he did hurt the two husbands/coworkers when he slept with their wives! 

FWIW, I believe that it's the wives in that situation who bear the majority of the blame. DJ wasn't the one who was married, that doesn't make it right but I'm always a little surprised how people always want to put all the blame on the "other man or women" and treat the wife or husband (who's actually the only one cheating) as some kind of victim. 

post #342 of 455
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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones View Post
 

FWIW, I believe that it's the wives in that situation who bear the majority of the blame. DJ wasn't the one who was married, that doesn't make it right but I'm always a little surprised how people always want to put all the blame on the "other man or women" and treat the wife or husband (who's actually the only one cheating) as some kind of victim.

Yes.  100% yes.  What DJ did pales in comparison to what each of those wives did.

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