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My Swing (WillM)

post #1 of 7
Thread Starter 
I've been Playing Golf for: my whole life​ 
My current handicap index or average score is: 4.8
My typical ball flight is: High cut
The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: The pull fade with a light seasoning of slices.

My divots point left of the target but there is no go to flaw that suggests why so I am posting here. My swing plane is neutral if not slightly under plane but I can't for the life of me figure out why I still fade the ball with a pull. Help?

Videos:

FO Swing:
http://youtu.be/hj7YHlLNHp0

DL Swing:http://youtu.be/rXm6580HEY0
post #2 of 7

@WillM ,

 

I edited your post by embedding the video.  This is done by pushing the film button in the middle second row and adding the Youtube URL.  This makes it easier for forum members to view your video.

 

Thanks for posting the videos.

post #3 of 7

Will, two things, a comment and a question:

  • It's not unusual for divots to point left even on draws. If they're severely left, then it's a good indicator, but otherwise divots make bad indicators. Here's a thread on that: Divots Pointing Left .
  • You're certain that your contact is good? No heel jobs? Gonna assume it's good, but please tell us if it's a little in the heel and that you've confirmed it.

 

I'll try to get back to you later today. In the meantime peruse and post on the rest of the site. :)

post #4 of 7
Thread Starter 
@boogielicious thanks for embedding them. I was trying to do it quickly from my phone.

@iacas My contact is usually pretty good. I will never miss heel side, mostly off the toe. Most of the time my divots will be 5-10 yards left of the target but every once in awhile I will get one that is 25-30 yards left... That is pretty severe. But again, at least to me, there is nothing to indicate that I am pulling across the ball that hard.
post #5 of 7

This is a great example of a good player's swing and how even video can fool some people (particularly when a) it's not shot from the best angles, or at least the angles that best illustrate this kind of thing, and b) it's not slow motion at all).

 

Basically, in golf geek terms, you're rolling the third accumulator from 6 to 7 really hard, and that shifts not only the face left but the path left quite a bit as well. It can look like your clubhead's on an OUTward path at 6, but still be going INward at 7 due to #3.

 

In non-golf-geek terms… You're rotating your left forearm and wrist too much through impact. This rotation sends the path of the club to the left, even though it can look like it's slightly right-ward.

 

The funny thing is… the more the ball cuts, the more the tendency is for you to try to roll the face more. This is where the ball flight laws can help you, though again "path is instinctual." To make a ball curve right, you swing left more. To make a ball curve left, or lessen the right curve it already has, you swing RIGHT more.

 

Eventually you may want to tackle some other things in your swing (your "URC" or "upper rotational center" moves back in the backswing a bit, for example). Don't worry about this stuff now though.

 

Here's the plan for now:

  1. Get the left hand grip a little more in the fingers and probably a touch stronger. This will help you to eliminate the feeling that you "need" to roll the face a little to "close it" (a feel) so you can stop hitting cuts. So, again, a little more in the fingers, and a tad stronger, in the left hand. A good thread on this is here: How to Grip a Golf Club, Commonalities of a Functional Golf Grip.
  2. You're going to want to hit some balls feeling like, from the position on the downswing when the shaft is horizontal to the ground (what we call "A6" or "6" here on the site, and elsewhere), through to A8 (shaft horizontal on the follow-through) you do two things: 1) RAISE THE HANDLE quite high, and 2) FEEL NO ROLL of the left forearm.

 

In talking about this video with Dave (he confirmed my suspicions on the core issue here), he reminded me of a drill for which we plan to shoot a video soon:

 

Quote:
Imagine a wall just in front of the ball (on the target side) and perpendicular to the target line. On the downswing, take the hands to the wall and then continue to push the hands UP that wall after impact. Do not take your hands left along that wall, but up the wall.

 

Here are some images:

 

 

Just enough of a roll here to send the path a little left. Otherwise in VERY good shape here.

 

 

Grip is a bit weak, probably a tad palmy, but otherwise good impact position. The second frame illustrates how quickly the hands are rolling over through impact though.

 

 

Again shows how quickly the club kicks "around the corner" on the downswing.

 

So the feel is taking the handle UP more, as indicated here:

 

 

While also not rolling the forearm over (your wrists rolling across each other):

 

post #6 of 7
Thread Starter 
Wow that analysis is more than I could've expected. Thanks so much. I will definitely go out and work on this.

Would this forearm over rotation show up in a over rotated Clubhead in the follow thru? As in when the club is coming out of the shoulder the toe wouldn't be pointing straight up but more towards 10-11 o'clock?

As for my head moving around, I have been aware of that for a long time. It was a by product of me starting to actually rotate my hips in my backswing. Never really got around to fixing it.

My biggest question, this might sound uninformed, wouldn't raising the handle at/through impact cause me to catch the ground with the toe first and start hitting more of a fade? Or is it just the THOUGHT of raising the handle?
post #7 of 7
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Would this forearm over rotation show up in a over rotated Clubhead in the follow thru? As in when the club is coming out of the shoulder the toe wouldn't be pointing straight up but more towards 10-11 o'clock?

 

Not necessarily, no. It would tend to, but it doesn't have to.

 

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Originally Posted by WillM View Post

As for my head moving around, I have been aware of that for a long time. It was a by product of me starting to actually rotate my hips in my backswing. Never really got around to fixing it.

 

Not really the priority right now though.

 
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Originally Posted by WillM View Post

My biggest question, this might sound uninformed, wouldn't raising the handle at/through impact cause me to catch the ground with the toe first and start hitting more of a fade? Or is it just the THOUGHT of raising the handle?

 

Not up so much in that direction (i.e. uncocking the wrists), though there may be some more of that, but it will be minor. It's more raising the handle up the wall, which keeps the handle out to the right a little, and thus keeps the sweetspot (Key #4) traveling outward longer while slowing the rate of closure (RoC) just a tad.

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