Can you hit ball first, divot in front and still fat it?
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Yeah, I think it could be that or maybe a flip. I know that I occasionally will hit a wedge with what feels like great contact, good sound at impact, nice high trajectory, perfectly online, exactly as I pictured it and land 10 yards short. Divot seems fine...file and forget...
I've never had a thin shot end up short, they always go further than intended.
Thin is low on the face, near blading it. I thought that was pretty much the definition of a thin shot.
There are different levels of thin. For me a thin shot usually flies shorter but rolls out, so the distance isn't too far off. Depending on the landing area, it could be longer or shorter than my normal shot. When I am talking thin, I am saying like a few grooves low on the clubface (not a bladed shot)