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I picked up a set of Apex FTX irons, 3-9+E, included a Hogan Edge 22* hybrid. I don't know how I missed this, but when I got them home and started to clean them up I noticed a good gap between the hosel and the neck of the heads.Probably a good 1/8th of an inch on most of them. It was almost as if they were supposed to be that way. I haven't built or assembled any clubs so I don't know what it takes or what it would cost to fix these. It looks like the heads have slipped a little on all but one of the clubs. If needed I can try to post a pic on Sunday. If nothing else I will take them to Golf Galaxy during lunch next week and see what they think. Thanks for any thoughts. Mike Edit: I might mixing up hosel and ferrule, but it looks like the black plastic extends into the neck of the club head, then widens to look like a ferrule, so I didn't know how to describe it.

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I picked up a set of Apex FTX irons, 3-9+E, included a Hogan Edge 22* hybrid. I don't know how I missed this, but when I got them home and started to clean them up I noticed a good gap between the hosel and the neck of the heads.Probably a good 1/8th of an inch on most of them. It was almost as if they were supposed to be that way.

I haven't built or assembled any clubs so I don't know what it takes or what it would cost to fix these. It looks like the heads have slipped a little on all but one of the clubs. If needed I can try to post a pic on Sunday.

If nothing else I will take them to Golf Galaxy during lunch next week and see what they think.

Thanks for any thoughts.

Mike

Edit: I might mixing up hosel and ferrule, but it looks like the black plastic extends into the neck of the club head, then widens to look like a ferrule, so I didn't know how to describe it.


Could you take a picture to show us?  If the ferrule has slipped, it is not too big a concern.

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[URL=http://s67.photobucket.com/user/treebound/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141012_072951_zps1gdp94db.jpg.html][IMG]http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h292/treebound/Mobile%20Uploads/20141012_072951_zps1gdp94db.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://s67.photobucket.com/user/treebound/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141012_072959_zpsgwrfxxkt.jpg.html][IMG]http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h292/treebound/Mobile%20Uploads/20141012_072959_zpsgwrfxxkt.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Hopefully these pics work, it looks like the ferrule extends into the club head. If the ferrule was just a simple ring then I wouldn't be concerned, but these look to me like the heads started sliding off the shafts. Oh, the set also included the sand wedge

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I think I'm going to revisit getting some club building tools. I've experimented with two different clubs in the past and messed them both up (too much heat melting/softening a graphite shaft) and trying to do it without a puller is a sure recipe for a mess-up. (Turning this thread into a club building session) One youtube video I looked at showed the guy mixing beads into the epoxy blend, another one didn't use beads. There also seems to be a variety of pullers and various ways to apply heat. Now I'm curious to learn more about club building and repair.

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The set you bought didnt start out together. At some point someone swapped shafts. The epoxy fails at 200 degrees, so it is easy to remove heads off metal shafts and not mess up a ferrule. What is harder, and is exemplified in your set, is that the hosel of a club has more or less metal due to design of head and weighting, and they can change in height from ground. Though the hole depth is relatively uniform across a majority of clubs, it can vary. Nothing is slipping unless you can move it or you hear noise when you hit. Epoxy is working or its not. It is stiff when set and not THAT flexible. The FEW grains of silica sand one puts in shafting epoxy is to act as a glue spacer. It ensures at least a film of epoxy around the tip and between the tip and head wall. Some say it is a centering method. To a degree its true, but mostly its about glue. You must check the specs after glue up anyway, as there will be drift.

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Okay, thanks, I'll have to do some measuring to check the lengths compared to each other, I'll also take a closer look at the ferrules.

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The heads haven't slipped the platic hosels did. Golfsmith and others alike sell a tool to repair this condition.

Its true that this is possible. A lot of ferrules are friction fit. Its the uniformity of all being gapped that is the main clue. Ferrules typically would vary quite a bit, or just a few would be gapped.

Tom R.

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Sorry for the miscue I meant to say ferrule. It's been my experience through the years that ferrules do this over time. If by chance that the heads did come loose/slip I would imagine one of them would have come completely off by now.
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Thanks for the replies. I took one of the clubs and put it under hot running tap water for a bit, then pushed the ferrule with a wrench that just cleared the shaft, one good shove and the ferrule slid right up next to the hosel and closed the gap. I'll look for an appropriate tool and do the rest another day. Thanks again.

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TM M2 Rescue 3H@19* and 4H@22* ,
TM RocketBladez irons 5-9,PW,AW, SW(23*,26.5*,30.5*,35*,40*,45*,50*,55*),
TM Hi-Toe 60* wedge,
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This is very common with all the Callaway made Ben Hogan, I had set of FTX same thing, put a little bit of good super glue on on the ferrel and using soft jaws in the a vice or vice grip twist the ferrel back into position. I wasn't too crazy on my set of ftx they hit the ball very low. I've 3 sets of the 99s apex, set of 92s and 79s, did have a set of 03s also by Callaway but too small a sweet spot for me. The Ben Hogan hybrids are absolutely incredible, also by Callaway and the ferrel s also come loose. I have 1,2,3. Usually only carry the 2 19 degree, its an incredible club goes miles, honestly I have a mizuno 4 wood thinking it would be a good gap, hybrid hits it further 15 degree 3 wood , hybrid only 5 yards off it, into the wind almost out hits. The hybrids are really something
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I got the rest of the ferrules pushed back where they belong last night, ran them under running hot water and then pushed with a tight fitting wrench. I learned something.  Now if it was June instead of October I'd have a chance to try these out on a course, but I'll at least give them a try on a couple buckets of balls at lunch and then decide if I like how they feel.

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TM RocketBladez irons 5-9,PW,AW, SW(23*,26.5*,30.5*,35*,40*,45*,50*,55*),
TM Hi-Toe 60* wedge,
Ping Karsten 1959 Craz-E, or a Scotty
Bushnell Tour V3 rangefinder

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