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I'm curious to see how others might play a hole that I can relate to and how distance vs accuracy would play on this one. Black-250, blue-200, white-150, red-100 with the flag in the center of the green. As you can see, the fairway is really wide but the bunker is elevated.

For those of you who drive 265yds or longer and can shape the ball pretty well, how would you play this 500 yard par 5? Would any of you try for the green in two? Keep in mind that anything outside the darker green (rough) is unplayable. The putting green is a peninsula with a gully/creek in front/left/right and thick woods behind it.

For me, the decisions are usually pretty easy because I rarely hit over 250.

Tee: driver

2nd: whatever club maxes out before the end of the fairway. If I miss with this 2nd shot, I want to miss right.

3rd: PW or less for my approach.

Ideally, I want my tee shot to hit left of the bunker or close to it on the right side of it. That will give me an easier 2nd shot to upper right side of the fairway (best position for an approach). My bunker play is not good, too far right and I have to shoot around trees to leave a decent approach.

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[URL=http://thesandtrap.com/content/type/61/id/109637/] [/URL] I'm curious to see how others might play a hole that I can relate to and how distance vs accuracy would play on this one. Black-250, blue-200, white-150, red-100 with the flag in the center of the green. As you can see, the fairway is really wide but the bunker is elevated. For those of you who drive 265yds or longer and can shape the ball pretty well, how would you play this 500 yard par 5? Would any of you try for the green in two? Keep in mind that anything outside the darker green (rough) is unplayable. The putting green is a peninsula with a gully/creek in front/left/right and thick woods behind it. For me, the decisions are usually pretty easy because I rarely hit over 250. Tee: driver  2nd: whatever club maxes out before the end of the fairway. If I miss with this 2nd shot, I want to miss right.  3rd: PW or less for my approach. Ideally, I want my tee shot to hit left of the bunker or close to it on the right side of it. That will give me an easier 2nd shot to upper right side of the fairway (best position for an approach). My bunker play is not good, too far right and I have to shoot around trees to leave a decent approach.

I might layup with a hybrid to 210-220 yards to avoid the bunker, 2i another 200-210, then one of my wedges. The additional distance I can get would not be off the tee, but the over the bunker shot. It could put me 70 to 90 yards away from the center of the green.

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The 15th hole at Eagle Ridge is very similar hole to this one. I will go for it in two if I can get my drive in the right side of the fairway for a clear line to the green. If my drive lands anywhere else it is a lay up.

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Even though like you I rarely hit my driver over 250, I have done it enough that I don't like having in the back of my mind "don't hit your furthest shot." I'd rather club down to a 3W and be able to hit a nice aggressive shot that even if I hit it my best will go 230 and not end up in the sand. For the second and third shot, I'd follow your plan exactly. If 80 yds from the green is safely in play, I might lay up to that for a full SW

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[URL=http://thesandtrap.com/content/type/61/id/109637/] [/URL] I'm curious to see how others might play a hole that I can relate to and how distance vs accuracy would play on this one. Black-250, blue-200, white-150, red-100 with the flag in the center of the green. As you can see, the fairway is really wide but the bunker is elevated. For those of you who drive 265yds or longer and can shape the ball pretty well, how would you play this 500 yard par 5? Would any of you try for the green in two? Keep in mind that anything outside the darker green (rough) is unplayable. The putting green is a peninsula with a gully/creek in front/left/right and thick woods behind it. For me, the decisions are usually pretty easy because I rarely hit over 250. Tee: driver  2nd: whatever club maxes out before the end of the fairway. If I miss with this 2nd shot, I want to miss right.  3rd: PW or less for my approach. Ideally, I want my tee shot to hit left of the bunker or close to it on the right side of it. That will give me an easier 2nd shot to upper right side of the fairway (best position for an approach). My bunker play is not good, too far right and I have to shoot around trees to leave a decent approach.

What is in the white areas on either side of the fairway, and also what is the white area between the end of the fairway and the beginning of the green complex?

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I don't see any situation when laying short makes sense for me...   on a short par5 like the above, I attack with driver every time.   I'll target the right side of the fairway while challenging the bunker.   If I hit the sand.....no big deal.   I can still go for the green from the bunker if I catch a lie....it's a very long bunker, so unless I roll all the way to the far end, there probably won't be lip issues.  The worst case scenario....I wedge out...and wedge on the green with a look at birdie.   If I succeed in hitting the fairway, I have a rescue club or long iron to the green in 2......   That bunker is no penalty...IMO.

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I'd bust a driver down to the 150 and hit a wedge into the green. Wait, I was having Rory delusions. :-D I'd probably hit a 3-wood to ~ 230. Hit a 7 - 5 iron to near the end of the fairway. Hit a wedge on the green and sink the putt. Easy birdie.

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I'm curious to see how others might play a hole that I can relate to and how distance vs accuracy would play on this one. Black-250, blue-200, white-150, red-100 with the flag in the center of the green. As you can see, the fairway is really wide but the bunker is elevated.

For those of you who drive 265yds or longer and can shape the ball pretty well, how would you play this 500 yard par 5? Would any of you try for the green in two? Keep in mind that anything outside the darker green (rough) is unplayable. The putting green is a peninsula with a gully/creek in front/left/right and thick woods behind it.

For me, the decisions are usually pretty easy because I rarely hit over 250.

Tee: driver

2nd: whatever club maxes out before the end of the fairway. If I miss with this 2nd shot, I want to miss right.

3rd: PW or less for my approach.

Ideally, I want my tee shot to hit left of the bunker or close to it on the right side of it. That will give me an easier 2nd shot to upper right side of the fairway (best position for an approach). My bunker play is not good, too far right and I have to shoot around trees to leave a decent approach.

I can't carry the fairway bunker so it could be in play. Also I can't place my tee shots with my driver yet. I could "rip it" and get in trouble. I have to play this hole conservatively. I also want to keep those trees on the right out of play.

Tee shot - 17 degree FW. I want to make sure I'm short of that bunker. FW metal will be left center 210 yds.

2nd shot - 19 degree hybrid. I have good distance and reasonable control with it. 200. Ball will probably end up on the right side by the red line.

3rd shot -  GW - 9 iron up to the green depending upon where 2nd shot ends up.

Two putt for par.

I think the white area is stuff you don't want to be in.

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I can't carry the fairway bunker either, but hoping it doesn't have a high lip, driver ; )  I'd probably be in or to the right of it, giving me a pretty good shot at getting within 100 yds. Then a chip short of the green or flier over the green and I'm in for par. Oh yea baby. :-P

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I get a 250 yd. drive about once a nine, so it would be iffy hitting a driver. So, I probably would lay up short of the traps with a 7W or a 4H.

The next shot depends on how I'm hitting my wedges. Pressing up inside the 100 yd. line with a 4W leaves me with a 3/4 PW or GW, hopefully from right side of fairway.

But, some weeks I have distance control problems with the 3/4 wedges. If 3/4 wedge is iffy, I would hit a 6i, laying up about 120 yds. out to set up a full PW or 9i.

Then, I would tap in my 2-foot putt for a birdie! :dance:

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What is in the white areas on either side of the fairway, and also what is the white area between the end of the fairway and the beginning of the green complex?


Everything beyond the dark green is unplayable - a penalty. The entire left side drops abruptly into a creek. This also runs between the end of the fairway and the green with about a 40yd gully. If you hit into the trees along the right, there's a slight possibility you might find your ball if it doesn't go too far in. The course's fairways, greens and rough are kept really nice but beyond that, lots of leaves, branches, brush and dead trees.

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What is in the white areas on either side of the fairway, and also what is the white area between the end of the fairway and the beginning of the green complex?

Everything beyond the dark green is unplayable - a penalty. The entire left side drops abruptly into a creek. This also runs between the end of the fairway and the green with about a 40yd gully. If you hit into the trees along the right, there's a slight possibility you might find your ball if it doesn't go too far in. The course's fairways, greens and rough are kept really nice but beyond that, lots of leaves, branches, brush and dead trees.

This is what I assumed. Also, guessing the trees are pretty thick.

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This is what I assumed. Also, guessing the trees are pretty thick.


Yep. Northern Michigan old-growth hardwoods. Hopefully the link below will work:

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.2452413,-85.7311865,357m/data=!3m1!1e3

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Yep. Northern Michigan old-growth hardwoods. Hopefully the link below will work:

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.2452413,-85.7311865,357m/data=!3m1!1e3


FWIW, the fairway to the right of the bunker is 32-40 yards wide.

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Yep. Northern Michigan old-growth hardwoods. Hopefully the link below will work:

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.2452413,-85.7311865,357m/data=!3m1!1e3

FWIW, the fairway to the right of the bunker is 32-40 yards wide.

That might be playable. There is only a small chance of a 250 yard drive going into the bunker from the back tees. I might play those odds after all.

Aim for the bunker and pull into area between the trees. If I do somehow manage a 270 yard drive, it will have only a slightly higher chance of going into the bunker.

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Everything beyond the dark green is unplayable - a penalty. The entire left side drops abruptly into a creek. This also runs between the end of the fairway and the green with about a 40yd gully. If you hit into the trees along the right, there's a slight possibility you might find your ball if it doesn't go too far in. The course's fairways, greens and rough are kept really nice but beyond that, lots of leaves, branches, brush and dead trees.

FWIW, the fairway to the right of the bunker is 32-40 yards wide.

Seems pretty straight-forward then:  Driver off the tee.  If it is hit well into the fairway to the right of the bunker, then I'll probably have a hybrid into the green.  I see no reason not to go for it.  OTOH, if I don't hit a particularly good drive, or if I hit it into the bunker, then layup down near the end of the fairway, and wedge it on from there.

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I don't see any situation when laying short makes sense for me...   on a short par5 like the above, I attack with driver every time.   I'll target the right side of the fairway while challenging the bunker.   If I hit the sand.....no big deal.   I can still go for the green from the bunker if I catch a lie....it's a very long bunker, so unless I roll all the way to the far end, there probably won't be lip issues.  The worst case scenario....I wedge out...and wedge on the green with a look at birdie.   If I succeed in hitting the fairway, I have a rescue club or long iron to the green in 2......   That bunker is no penalty...IMO.

If the wind is in my favour I would do the same. If not a 3w in the direction of the bunker. Then a club that will take me to 100y on the right side of the fairway.

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