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I've been Playing Golf for: Seriously for about 8 years

My current handicap index or average score is: 13

My typical ball flight is: Draw

The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: Straight Push and Pull Draw. I can’t seem to get my draws to start to the right or my fades to start to the left.

I was going to wait to shoot some better videos, but I want to get started on working on my swing during the offseason, so for now here are 1 swing with a 6 iron and one with the driver. A little background - I fought a slice for a long time and used to swing with uneven shoulders and dip my head way down in my backswing. This led me to a more rounded swing trying to keep my shoulders flat and my head still. I realize I am way across the line at the top of my swing, but I'm not sure exactly what causes it. Any advice, drills, or tips on my swing would be greatly appreciated!


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I've been Playing Golf for: Seriously for about 8 years

My current handicap index or average score is: 13

My typical ball flight is: Draw

The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: Straight Push and Pull Draw. I can’t seem to get my draws to start to the right or my fades to start to the left. 

 

I was going to wait to shoot some better videos, but I want to get started on working on my swing during the offseason, so for now here are 1 swing with a 6 iron and one with the driver. A little background - I fought a slice for a long time and used to swing with uneven shoulders and dip my head way down in my backswing. This led me to a more rounded swing trying to keep my shoulders flat and my head still. I realize I am way across the line at the top of my swing, but I'm not sure exactly what causes it. Any advice, drills, or tips on my swing would be greatly appreciated! 

To me what causes you to get so far across the line at the top of the backswing is how low and in the club loads on the backswing. The sweet spot has traveled so far inward that the position at the top of the backswing is just a "recovery" move. This leads to some position issues on the downswing that require a lot of timing, makes sense that you struggle with a two-way miss.

I'd like to see what cleaning up the takeaway does to the rest of the backswing. Here's a couple things I recommend.

- Make sure the heel pad of the left hand is "on top" and that the grip isn't palmy. More on that here,

- To get the club to load more "up", feel like you're giving a thumbs up with your left thumb (green arrows).

- Easy drill, place a ball about a foot and a half behind the one you're hitting. Avoid hitting the second ball on the takeaway, you'll really feel the "thumbs up" move.

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Thank you for the tips!

I've been working on my takeaway since you posted.

I'm still not 100% sure that I'm getting it, but at least I have something to work on.  I'm hoping to get a camera set up so I can tape some swings and measure my progress. I will post some when I think I've got some improvement to show!

Thanks again!

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