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I started golf around 2004, having played football and baseball in college. I loved hitting drivers, and over the years I've competed in the remax world long drive comps. I am constantly tinkering with different driver setups from 3.5 degrees of loft on xxx stiff hof shafts to 42 inch Fti squared heads. The other day I got paired up with a guy who was hitting a titelist 975d in an x flex Fuji at 7.5 degrees. I got into golf only about 10 years ago so these drivers were never on my radar. After seeing the amount of roll he was getting I asked to hit it on a couple of tees. I was amazed at how solid and how far the ball went with such old techology. I found another 7.5 975d at my local golf shop for 15 bucks in an x flex. So I decided to do a test against new tech. I compared it to the driver I currently game, an 8.5 callaway x hot with a 2x hof shaft standard length. Here's what I found....at 131 avg swing speed with the callaway after 6 balls the average drive was right around 340. The 975d had an average of 129 swing speed but produced a higher ball speed than the callaway with the average drive falling around 345. Comparing dead center hits between the two clubs, the 975d was every bit as if not longer than the x hot. In my opinion the only thing new technology has helped the modern golf game, is on off center hits the dispersion is much better. The workability of the smaller head, the more lower and boring the trajectory of this club makes it an unreal gamer in your bag. I wish I would have found this club sooner.
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Welcome to the forum @mediabezz .

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During an August scramble, my brother was wondering whether to get new FWs. i suggested he just hang onto his bubble-shafted TaylorMade Burner fairway woods.

With the return of Big Bertha at Callaway, I would not be surprised if bubble shafts are the next big thing from TM.

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I played a 975d back in the day. Great driver. My 910d3 is better (at least for me) though! Welcome to the site. Good to have you! :beer:

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Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw

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A lot of folks swear by the old 975D. It was a seminal club that brought a combination of length and control.

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Driver: PING 410 Plus 9 degrees, Alta CB55 S  Fairway: Callaway Rogue 3W PX Even Flow Blue 6.0; Hybrid: Titleist 818H1 21* PX Even Flow Blue 6.0;  Irons: Titleist 718 AP1 5-W2(53*) Shafts- TT AMT Red S300 ; Wedges Vokey SM8 56-10D Putter: Scotty Cameron 2016 Newport 2.5  Ball: Titleist AVX or 2021 ProV1

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I'm amazed at how well the club performs in all types of situations. I went from playing my callaway x tours to mizuno mp 32s irons and was really surprised by the feel length and consistantcy. Maybe all this new tech isn't really doing us any favors. Do you think smaller more unforgiving clubs help you become a better ball striker in the long run? Golf is funny because in no other sport do you find the "magic bean" syndrome to such a degree. "These irons are going to lower my scores by 6 shots" .....can we really buy a better golf game? Those of you who have played golf for a while, what's the biggest change in technology that you think has helped your game significantly?
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I'm amazed at how well the club performs in all types of situations. I went from playing my callaway x tours to mizuno mp 32s irons and was really surprised by the feel length and consistantcy. Maybe all this new tech isn't really doing us any favors. Do you think smaller more unforgiving clubs help you become a better ball striker in the long run? Golf is funny because in no other sport do you find the "magic bean" syndrome to such a degree. "These irons are going to lower my scores by 6 shots" .....can we really buy a better golf game? Those of you who have played golf for a while, what's the biggest change in technology that you think has helped your game significantly?

The mp-32 caught my eye. :-) They feel the same as the newest Callaway Apex MB irons. In fact, the simulator gave me roughly the same distances with the same lofts.

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I started golf around 2004, having played football and baseball in college. I loved hitting drivers, and over the years I've competed in the remax world long drive comps. I am constantly tinkering with different driver setups from 3.5 degrees of loft on xxx stiff hof shafts to 42 inch Fti squared heads. The other day I got paired up with a guy who was hitting a titelist 975d in an x flex Fuji at 7.5 degrees. I got into golf only about 10 years ago so these drivers were never on my radar. After seeing the amount of roll he was getting I asked to hit it on a couple of tees. I was amazed at how solid and how far the ball went with such old techology. I found another 7.5 975d at my local golf shop for 15 bucks in an x flex. So I decided to do a test against new tech. I compared it to the driver I currently game, an 8.5 callaway x hot with a 2x hof shaft standard length. Here's what I found....at 131 avg swing speed with the callaway after 6 balls the average drive was right around 340. The 975d had an average of 129 swing speed but produced a higher ball speed than the callaway with the average drive falling around 345. Comparing dead center hits between the two clubs, the 975d was every bit as if not longer than the x hot. In my opinion the only thing new technology has helped the modern golf game, is on off center hits the dispersion is much better. The workability of the smaller head, the more lower and boring the trajectory of this club makes it an unreal gamer in your bag. I wish I would have found this club sooner.

If you like the 975D (I have 2 of them) then I'd be interested to see how you hit the X2Hot 3Deep or the TM SLDR Mini.  These clubs are similar in head size but offer the modern technology advantages.

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I started golf around 2004, having played football and baseball in college. I loved hitting drivers, and over the years I've competed in the remax world long drive comps. I am constantly tinkering with different driver setups from 3.5 degrees of loft on xxx stiff hof shafts to 42 inch Fti squared heads. The other day I got paired up with a guy who was hitting a titelist 975d in an x flex Fuji at 7.5 degrees. I got into golf only about 10 years ago so these drivers were never on my radar. After seeing the amount of roll he was getting I asked to hit it on a couple of tees. I was amazed at how solid and how far the ball went with such old techology. I found another 7.5 975d at my local golf shop for 15 bucks in an x flex. So I decided to do a test against new tech. I compared it to the driver I currently game, an 8.5 callaway x hot with a 2x hof shaft standard length. Here's what I found....at 131 avg swing speed with the callaway after 6 balls the average drive was right around 340. The 975d had an average of 129 swing speed but produced a higher ball speed than the callaway with the average drive falling around 345. Comparing dead center hits between the two clubs, the 975d was every bit as if not longer than the x hot. In my opinion the only thing new technology has helped the modern golf game, is on off center hits the dispersion is much better. The workability of the smaller head, the more lower and boring the trajectory of this club makes it an unreal gamer in your bag. I wish I would have found this club sooner.

I'm definitely a fan of new technology. I'm 52, reasonably fit, and can hit the ball fairly well for an "older guy". That said, a "long drive competitor" I'm not. I upgrade or trade equipment fairly regulularly and I find the newer equipment allows me to maintain or increase my distance while substantially increasing forgiveness. That increased forgiveness then frees me up to "go after it" without fear. I'm hitting it farther, and straighter than I ever have. I too had a 975D and it was one of my favorite drivers. When I take it out to compare to my RBZ Stage 2 it is not a fair fight. I fly the drives with the 975D by 20 yards easily...AND they are in the fairway. Don't even get me started on my Mizuno JPX EZ forged... I feel like I'm cheating!

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I took a titelist 915 d3, a callaway xhot, and a ping rapture all in x stiff shafts against my 975d in a 7.5 degree head and hit them against eachother on track man. I know people think new tech has added quite a bit of distance but I can tell you that at an average swing speed of 131 with standard length setups, the 975d when struck in the center of the face produced the same ball speed and total distance as drivers 15 years newer. While I agree that new tech helps on off center hits, solid contact vs solid contact the numbers are the same. COR limits have already been maxed out on drivers there cannot be anymore springlike effect. Driver sales are huge business for the manufactures, all in saying is don't believe the hype.
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The reality [quote name="mediabezz" url="/t/78396/new-tech-is-not-helping-us-very-much#post_1082396"]I took a titelist 915 d3, a callaway xhot, and a ping rapture all in x stiff shafts against my 975d in a 7.5 degree head and hit them against eachother on track man. I know people think new tech has added quite a bit of distance but I can tell you that at an average swing speed of 131 with standard length setups, the 975d when struck in the center of the face produced the same ball speed and total distance as drivers 15 years newer. While I agree that new tech helps on off center hits, solid contact vs solid contact the numbers are the same. COR limits have already been maxed out on drivers there cannot be anymore springlike effect. Driver sales are huge business for the manufactures, all in saying is don't believe the hype.[/quote] Well, I guess we'll agree to disagree. I gave you my personal example of getting significantly better results with newer technology in my driver. I've seen way too many folks improve their shot quality and maintain their distance with new technology. with your swing speed of 131 Mph you are a "freak of nature". You would likely hit 7 iron farther than most people's drivers. we mere mortals need all the help we can get. I do agree that there is a limit to how much help some people can gain from equipment changes ...on both ends of the spectrum. Besides, it's fun to try out all the new (or recently used) stuff out there... If you have time, it would be great if you'd post your swing on the " my swing" thread. I'd get a kick out of seeing you crush the ball. I can only dream of that kind of swing speed. I'm a 105 mph driver swing type of guy.
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Never tried the RBZ driver. I did have an R1 but traded it in for the RBZ Stage 2 tour. Much easier for me to hit it straight and long. I had the tp x flex shaft in the R1 and when I was swinging well, it performed very well. When I was off a bit, it was just too much club for me. Hit my brother's stage 2, liked the feel and how "easy it was to hit" and when to look for one. I've had it for a few months and it has really helped my game. I do have a RBZ tour spoon (x flex) that I've loved but decided to get a used RBZ stage 2 TS but have gone to the TP stiff shaft...I love hitting three woods either off the tee or off the deck - regularly go for par 5's in two - always had a bit of a three wood fixation. This is probably my 7th one....
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I know that I used to be firmly in the boat of, "The newer stuff can't really be all that much better, it's just prettier" until I went in and got fitted for clubs in this last year. I found that today's CB blades are more forgiving than the old SGI Eye 2's. I found that my PING G10, which hadn't previously tested against newer clubs, was completely blown out of the water by the G30.

I would highly recommend you at least give the G30 a shot. With as high a swing speed as you report having, you might notice more significant swing speed and distance increases than I (I gained 3 mph and about 15 yards) since your driver would be encountering greater drag forces during the downswing.

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