Jump to content
IGNORED

Number of reps need to become habit


Note: This thread is 3432 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts

I had a golf instructor tell me that he had read a study that said that you have to do 300 repetitions a day for two weeks to make

something a habit. He gave me this assignment to stop my all arms swing and to learn to turn my body. It worked.

Has anyone ever heard of anything like this?

Doug

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

It takes about 100 consecutive successful repetitions to break a habit. The key words there are consecutive successful. How long this will take will depend upon the complexity of the task. This is why it may take hitting 1000 balls to prevent your bad habits from creeping back in. Then another 2000 repetitions to establish correct procedural memory for the task. Of course this does not mean you won't hit bad shots in the process. It means correct swing. Even the touring pros with the established procedural memory hit bad shots.

I'm not a professional golfer, but I did study at one time to be a concert pianist. I didn't make it. The same work theories apply.

Julia

:callaway:  :cobra:    :seemore:  :bushnell:  :clicgear:  :adidas:  :footjoy:

Spoiler

Driver: Callaway Big Bertha w/ Fubuki Z50 R 44.5"
FW: Cobra BiO CELL 14.5 degree; 
Hybrids: Cobra BiO CELL 22.5 degree Project X R-flex
Irons: Cobra BiO CELL 5 - GW Project X R-Flex
Wedges: Cobra BiO CELL SW, Fly-Z LW, 64* Callaway PM Grind.
Putter: 48" Odyssey Dart

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator

I think things like this are so dependent on the situation, etc.

I put my right shoe on first. If you told me tomorrow that I had to start putting my left shoe on first, it would take 0 repetitions. I can change that "habit" incredibly easily.

Changing your golf swing often takes much more than 3000+ swings.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Moderator

I had a golf instructor tell me that he had read a study that said that you have to do 300 repetitions a day for two weeks to make

something a habit. He gave me this assignment to stop my all arms swing and to learn to turn my body. It worked.

Has anyone ever heard of anything like this?

It depends on the piece and how you go about making the reps. A grip or an address change won't take 300 reps and making a full motion swing "thinking" about your swing piece isn't a rep.

To change something in your swing and make it stick I would say it takes thousands of quality reps.

Mike McLoughlin

Check out my friends on Evolvr!
Follow The Sand Trap on Twitter!  and on Facebook
Golf Terminology -  Analyzr  -  My FacebookTwitter and Instagram 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

A grip change took me a bucket of balls to get used to. A swing change? I've hit 5.5 jumbo buckets and I'm still not used to it.

Task complexity.

Julia

:callaway:  :cobra:    :seemore:  :bushnell:  :clicgear:  :adidas:  :footjoy:

Spoiler

Driver: Callaway Big Bertha w/ Fubuki Z50 R 44.5"
FW: Cobra BiO CELL 14.5 degree; 
Hybrids: Cobra BiO CELL 22.5 degree Project X R-flex
Irons: Cobra BiO CELL 5 - GW Project X R-Flex
Wedges: Cobra BiO CELL SW, Fly-Z LW, 64* Callaway PM Grind.
Putter: 48" Odyssey Dart

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I think it depends on exactly what it is your working on. Changing my grip took very little time. Changing your swing, imho tales much longer, heck I'm still working on priority pieces from last April..so they become habit, I know, I'm probably slow to some of you. But those drills paid off today. Played the best golf since I started back in Oct. 2013..worst shots were with my putter... :doh:

Anyway, I think what ever you want to ingrain, takes time, and also how fast, or in my case how slow you pick things up.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I think things like this are so dependent on the situation, etc.

I put my right shoe on first. If you told me tomorrow that I had to start putting my left shoe on first, it would take 0 repetitions. I can change that "habit" incredibly easily.

Changing your golf swing often takes much more than 3000+ swings.

You would be surprised how hard it is to change behaviours like this.

You would need a note tied to your shoelaces reminding you.

It's long term memory stuff.

As for the OP - I agree with you, Iacas, regarding thousands of swings. Coaches who make comments like "You need 300 repetitions..." have been to some silly seminar and they have been fed junk science.

It's as nonsensical as the 10,000 hour BS.

In the race of life, always back self-interest. At least you know it's trying.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites


So I get that it depends on the task and the individual. But it looks likes some of you missed the "for two weeks" part of the OP.

That adds up to 300x14=4200 reps. So that seems consistent with what some you are saying that it takes thousands.

So when I get to 4201 I will have it ingrained into my swing :-D

Doug

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator

So I get that it depends on the task and the individual. But it looks likes some of you missed the "for two weeks" part of the OP.

That adds up to 300x14=4200 reps. So that seems consistent with what some you are saying that it takes thousands.

So when I get to 4201 I will have it ingrained into my swing


No, we didn't miss that. Even 4000 things done properly could be a) massive overkill, or b) not nearly enough.

Who the hell has time to do something 300 times a day for 14 days in a row?

Not to mention the fact that time #267 is NOT going to be done nearly as well as time #1 (I almost said time #300 but you might re-focus on the last ten or so…).

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Even if it becomes a habit I'm not sure that means the old "habit" is erased from memory or won't creep back in over time or under pressure situations.

Joe Paradiso

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Slow repititions with a heavy club, without hitting a golf ball is the best way to improve technique. Try to do it for 15 min per day in doors when you can't get out to the course.

I do this every so often. I have  an old 5i I filled with BBs for the added weight. Helps me to keep my arms, and back muscles lose.

In My Bag:
A whole bunch of Tour Edge golf stuff...... :beer:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I had a golf instructor tell me that he had read a study that said that you have to do 300 repetitions a day for two weeks to make

something a habit. He gave me this assignment to stop my all arms swing and to learn to turn my body. It worked.

Has anyone ever heard of anything like this?

I think it depends on what you are working on. I am sure some pieces in the swing might be something you never get over, or might have to continue to work on just to maintain what you want it to be. Others might take maybe a few instances to get, like changing the grip.

Really, how you practice is more than volume of practice. I've improved more over the past two years then I have in the previous 10 years before that. I could practice more. My quality of practice, and the method in which I practice is head and shoulders above what I was previously doing.

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Slow repititions with a heavy club, without hitting a golf ball is the best way to improve technique. Try to do it for 15 min per day in doors when you can't get out to the course.

I'm starting to do this to work the sores out of my healing muscles.

I've also heard that you need to practice with a super light shaft to build muscle memory that helps increase swing speed?

:ping:  :tmade:  :callaway:   :gamegolf:  :titleist:

TM White Smoke Big Fontana; Pro-V1
TM Rac 60 TT WS, MD2 56
Ping i20 irons U-4, CFS300
Callaway XR16 9 degree Fujikura Speeder 565 S
Callaway XR16 3W 15 degree Fujikura Speeder 565 S, X2Hot Pro 20 degrees S

"I'm hitting the woods just great, but I'm having a terrible time getting out of them." ~Harry Toscano

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Slow repititions with a heavy club, without hitting a golf ball is the best way to improve technique. Try to do it for 15 min per day in doors when you can't get out to the course.

I do this every so often. I have  an old 5i I filled with BBs for the added weight. Helps me to keep my arms, and back muscles lose.

I'm starting to do this to work the sores out of my healing muscles.

I've also heard that you need to practice with a super light shaft to build muscle memory that helps increase swing speed?

Yeah, just be careful you're not training yourself to swing slowly. I read an interesting article a few years ago about that. Weighted clubs are fine as long as you use them for the right training, speed training is not a great idea for weighted club use.

Yours in earnest, Jason.
Call me Ernest, or EJ or Ernie.

PSA - "If you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!"

My Whackin' Sticks: :cleveland: 330cc 2003 Launcher 10.5*  :tmade: RBZ HL 3w  :nickent: 3DX DC 3H, 3DX RC 4H  :callaway: X-22 5-AW  :nike:SV tour 56* SW :mizuno: MP-T11 60* LW :bridgestone: customized TD-03 putter :tmade:Penta TP3   :aimpoint:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by Lihu

I've also heard that you need to practice with a super light shaft to build muscle memory that helps increase swing speed?

Yeah, just be careful you're not training yourself to swing slowly. I read an interesting article a few years ago about that. Weighted clubs are fine as long as you use them for the right training, speed training is not a great idea for weighted club use.

That's kind of my gut feeling. Thanks.

:ping:  :tmade:  :callaway:   :gamegolf:  :titleist:

TM White Smoke Big Fontana; Pro-V1
TM Rac 60 TT WS, MD2 56
Ping i20 irons U-4, CFS300
Callaway XR16 9 degree Fujikura Speeder 565 S
Callaway XR16 3W 15 degree Fujikura Speeder 565 S, X2Hot Pro 20 degrees S

"I'm hitting the woods just great, but I'm having a terrible time getting out of them." ~Harry Toscano

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Note: This thread is 3432 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-15%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope.
  • Posts

    • I'm on the side of thinking that something is not right here and should be reviewed. Let say that their course rating is pretty low, so their index is higher than it should be. But if they always play at their home course they are probably going to play bad away from home so it should even that advantage out or at least lower it down.  Also you can say that they are amazing players under pressure and very skilled in match play format, but at the end of the day variance and luck is always going to play a big role between 2 players of similar handicap. Let's assume that player A have 75% chance of winning a match over player B that only have 25%, there is no way that a player's skill in match play can make such a difference in a match outcome but I prefer to use a number that is hard to argue. (For me.. 60/40, or 65/35 at most) The odds of winning 21 straight matches with that  generous odds are less than 1% (or 1 in 420). Is this proof that they are "cheating" or something, of course not but is evidence enough to note that something is not right and should be reviewed further.     
    • UPDATE.....Please read We still have time to add more golfers to both days, June 1st & June 2nd At this time he have reservations for 20 golfers on each day At this time we have 17 for Saturday at EagleSticks - Room for 3 more At this time we have 16 for Sunday at the Virtures - Room for 4 more Please post ASAP if interested. I need to give a more final count May 17th. They will accommodate a fluke last minute change but lets try to iron this out to they can sell tee-times if we do not need them. It will also be hard to add tee times. COST: If you are golfing both rounds AND staying in the "Stay & Play" hotel the cost is $252 This includes Golf on Saturday & Sunday and Saturday night in the hotel (See below for hotel info.) If you want the "Stay & Play" I need to arrange that. If you ARE NOT staying in the hotel the cost is as follows: Sat. June 1st @ EagleSticks = $80 Sun. June 2nd @ Virtues = $120 You will notice the "Stay & Play" deal is hotel for only $52 extra which is a great deal.  If you want in on that let me know! Saturday tee times are: 10:15, 10:24, 10:33, 10:42 and 10:51 I will try to get those spending Friday Night in the hotel in the early groups to allow others more time to drive in. Sunday tee times are 9:00 9:09, 9:18, 9:27am and 9:36 Saturday after the round we will have an area at EagleSticks to gather for prizes, food & drink.   Sunday after the round is currently un-planned If we can guarantee 16 we can reserve a small room but there would be a hard charge @ $20 per head at the Virtues and we would have a simple buffet Likely we just grab a beer a dog and a table as available. Let me know if you think a more formal plan for Sunday after the round is needed. The "Stay & Play" hotel has changed Double Tree in Newark 50 North 2nd Street Newark, OH 43055 740-322-6455 If you need a hotel for either Friday or Sunday nights you will need to book on your own. I was give an estimate of @ $249 for the Double Tree and do not know if there are better offers elsewhere. I will be arriving Friday, hoping for mid-late afternoon and would love to meet up for dinner with any that are in town. Time & Location TBD Below are the names & have confirmed: Would really love to get more golfers.  Reply if interested.  Time is running down. Below is updated with best information I have. PLEASE add/delete your tag as necessary. Saturday, June 1st at EagleSticks: @iacas @StuM @DaveP043 @billchao @boogielicious @bkuehn1952 @saevel25 @David L Yskes @Hardspoon @georgep @rwolfe @ChetlovesMer @CarlSpackler @Slice of Life @Ryguy22 @DinnerTime @dudu3000 Here is what I have for the "Stay & Play" with Hotel for Sat. Evening.  We will need to "Double up" to extent possible. @billchao and @boogielicious @David L Yskes @StuM and @DaveP043 @saevel25 @bkuehn1952 @Ryguy22 and @DinnerTime @Hardspoon/@iacas organizing their own room. Sunday, June 2nd at Virtues: @iacas @StuM @DaveP043 @billchao @boogielicious @bkuehn1952 @Carl3 @saevel25 @David L Yskes @Hardspoon @georgep  @klineka @Ryguy22 @DinnerTime @vasaribm @dudu3000 Below have express interest but have not confirmed.  PLEASE confirm one way or the other. @Greenshirt100  
    • The dreaded 6 o'clock shadow. 🤣
    • 47+49 for a 96. Just lost it today. Two way miss off the tee. Could not hit a decent iron. Three putted like at least 8 holes. Not good when the short game is the best part of the day 😭😭
    • Phillyk is very close by. Ok, I understand how the watch and tags are meant to be used, but I was just curious how it actually works. I can't really think of any other way than what I mentioned above. No worries. If it works it works. I'll probably pick one up. My co-worker mentioned a free app called 18 Birdies which offers similar services. However I personally do not like keeping my phone in my pocket while golfing, nor do I want to be clicking around on the phone while out on the course. I toss my phone in my bag and leave it there until I am done golfing. Tapping a club head to a watch seems wat more convenient.  
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...